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Old 03-03-2007, 08:55 PM
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Old 03-03-2007, 09:02 PM
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No, he did not control those around him. Men have free will, they chose to crucify him and God allowed it period.
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Did Jesus commit suicide?
I sure hope the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints does not believe or teach that Jesus committed suicide. If so then Mormonism is even farther away from the biblical and historical true Christian teaching and Christianity than I thought. Please say that this is only your opinion?
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I sure hope the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints does not believe or teach that Jesus committed suicide. If so then Mormonism is even farther away from the biblical and historical true Christian teaching and Christianity than I thought. Please say that this is only your opinion?
I don't think that it's even Comprehend's opinion that Christ committed suicide. I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that he's asking us if we share a view that someone else he knows holds to. I've certainly heard the accusation that Christ committed suicide before and some historical sects came very close to the idea also.

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Old 03-06-2007, 10:27 AM
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In order to clarify, I ask this hypothetical question: If Jesus did not act during His crucifixion, but only allowed Himself to be acted upon, would the Romans have been able to take His life?
Jesus was crucified by the Romans because the Sanhedrin convicted Him of blasphemy which was punishable by death. The Romans would not allow Israel to excercise the death penalty (the scepter shan not pass from Israel until Shiloh comes)and it fell upon the romans to carry out the sentance.

The Sanhedrin would not have convicted Jesus by the evidence that was presented and documented in Scripture. They could not even get enough witnesses to agree in their lies against Him to convict. It was only by Christ's own testimony could they convict Christ.

Another argument against Christ's death being suicide is that if it were not for the sin of man then there would not be death, hence Christ would not have died.
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No, he did not commit suicide. He allowed what was going to happen, happen. His quote that you gave just says the humans will not have true control of his life, that he is allowing it. You forget, the death and resurrection were prophesied, so it had to happen to close the deal, so to speak, on the convenant with God. The death and resurrection were the ultimate victory over evil (not related to the faith of those who put Him to death, but the reasons they did it.)
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Old 03-08-2007, 01:31 PM
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No, he did not commit suicide. He allowed what was going to happen, happen. His quote that you gave just says the humans will not have true control of his life, that he is allowing it. You forget, the death and resurrection were prophesied, so it had to happen to close the deal, so to speak, on the convenant with God. The death and resurrection were the ultimate victory over evil (not related to the faith of those who put Him to death, but the reasons they did it.)
It could be argued that it was sucide by centurian (or maybe suicide by Sanhedrin) in that if He would have not said anything at His trial before the Sanhedrin they would have had no grounds for a conviction.
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I sure hope the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints does not believe or teach that Jesus committed suicide. If so then Mormonism is even farther away from the biblical and historical true Christian teaching and Christianity than I thought. Please say that this is only your opinion?
No, we do not believe or teach that...I agree with what JamesThePersian said:

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I don't think that it's even Comprehend's opinion that Christ committed suicide. I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that he's asking us if we share a view that someone else he knows holds to.
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I sure hope the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints does not believe or teach that Jesus committed suicide. If so then Mormonism is even farther away from the biblical and historical true Christian teaching and Christianity than I thought. Please say that this is only your opinion?
The LDS church teaches nothing like this and it is certainly not my opinion either. I was just asking the question. I like to talk about a great deal of things I do not believe myself.

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