Islam: Return of Jesus (Moses, Earth, Messiah, mission, preach)

[goraya15]

I would like someone to clear something up for me.

I know that most muslims believe that Jesus (as) did not die on the cross, and there are several theories as to how. Instead, it is said that he was taken off alive, nursed back to health, and then he ascended to heaven in his physical form.

I find it hard to believe the above statement, for many different reasons. Some of these are stated below.

1. Jesus was a prophet of Allah. As a prophet, he was given the task to bring the Jews back to God, since they had gone astray. Specifically, I believe he was commanded by God to preach to the 12 lost tribes of Israel. If he was taken up to heaven by God, then he could not have completed his mission, which is impossible since he was a prophet of God. I know some people say that when he returns he will complete his mission, but there aren't 12 lost tribes of Israel anymore, and a prophet only comes for a short time period on earth when he is most needed. Jesus coming back after hundreds of years to complete his mission to preach to the jews kind of defeats the purpose of him being sent so long ago.

2. The Holy Prophet (saw) was the greatest of all prophets. He was the khatamul-anbiya, the Seal of the Prophets. He verified all the prophets that came before him, and No prophet could come after him without bearing his seal. This means that if a prophet did come after him, he would have to be a Muslim, being totally submitted to all of his teachings. If Jesus was to return to the earth, he would not be a muslim, but he would be a Jew, a prophet not under direct authority of the Holy Prophet, but of Moses.

3. I can't believe that Jesus (as) was taken up to heaven after only a brief time of trial on earth. Every other prophet before him had to withstand much greater abuse and trials, while Jesus only had to endure a few days of trial. I can't believe that God would draw Jesus up from the earth because of a brief trial and so he wouldn't suffer, but that he would leave our beloved Holy Prophet (saw) on the earth to endure years of suffering at the hands of the Arabs. I believe that Jesus was a beloved, special prophet of God, but if it comes right down to it, Allah must have loved the Holy Prophet more, meaning if he could save jesus the agony of suffering, he would have saved the holy prophet from suffering as well.


Well, that's all I can write for now. Now to wait for people to blow holes in my logic .

[Cordoba]

Originally Posted by goraya15

I know some people say that when he returns he will complete his mission, but there aren't 12 lost tribes of Israel anymore, and a prophet only comes for a short time period on earth when he is most needed. Jesus coming back after hundreds of years to complete his mission to preach to the jews kind of defeats the purpose of him being sent so long ago.

When Jesus, peace be upon him, returns, he will preach to both Jews and Christians, not only Jews

You may wish to have a look at this Muslim web site (Jesus will Return):

http://jesuswillreturn.com/index2.html

[goraya15]

sorry, i couldn't find anything on how he would preach to both Christians and Jews. By the way, shouldn't he preach to muslims also?

Besides, only the Prophet Muhammad was sent as a messenger to all of mankind. It stands to reason that only someone who was a direct subordinate of his, i.e. a muslim messiah, would be sent to preach to all of mankind, meaning people of all faiths. This is why I think that the concept of Jesus returning to earth from the heavens in his same body can't be true. I believe it means someone will be born, a muslim, who will have the essence of Jesus, and his life will be similiar to him, enough that it can be said that Jesus has returned to earth. At least, it seems more probable then the heavens opening up and Jesus floating down to earth.

[AbuQuteiba]

Originally Posted by goraya15

I would like someone to clear something up for me.

I know that most muslims believe that Jesus (as) did not die on the cross, and there are several theories as to how. Instead, it is said that he was taken off alive, nursed back to health, and then he ascended to heaven in his physical form.

I find it hard to believe the above statement, for many different reasons. Some of these are stated below.

Rightly said. Muslims do not belive that Jesus(AS) died on the cross. But I have never heard of any hadeeth that says he was put on the cross, then taken off and nursed back to health. That actually goe's against the Qur'an, and the authentic hadeeth.

Originally Posted by goraya15

1. Jesus was a prophet of Allah. As a prophet, he was given the task to bring the Jews back to God, since they had gone astray. Specifically, I believe he was commanded by God to preach to the 12 lost tribes of Israel. If he was taken up to heaven by God, then he could not have completed his mission, which is impossible since he was a prophet of God. I know some people say that when he returns he will complete his mission, but there aren't 12 lost tribes of Israel anymore, and a prophet only comes for a short time period on earth when he is most needed. Jesus coming back after hundreds of years to complete his mission to preach to the jews kind of defeats the purpose of him being sent so long ago.

Whoever said that Jesus did'nt complete his mission? Why would you even think that? Because Allah(SWT) uplifted him? That doesn't even make sense. Just because Allah(SWT) chose to raise up Isa (AS), does not mean that Isa did not complete his mission.

Originally Posted by goraya15

2. The Holy Prophet (saw) was the greatest of all prophets. He was the khatamul-anbiya, the Seal of the Prophets. He verified all the prophets that came before him, and No prophet could come after him without bearing his seal. This means that if a prophet did come after him, he would have to be a Muslim, being totally submitted to all of his teachings. If Jesus was to return to the earth, he would not be a muslim, but he would be a Jew, a prophet not under direct authority of the Holy Prophet, but of Moses.

Uhh, actually no. When Allah(SWT) wills Jesus to return, he will follow the Prophet Muhammed(SAWS). And the final revelation, the Qur'an, that was sent to down with him (which of course means he will follow Islam). This is mentioned in the authentic hadeeth.

Originally Posted by goraya15

3. I can't believe that Jesus (as) was taken up to heaven after only a brief time of trial on earth. Every other prophet before him had to withstand much greater abuse and trials, while Jesus only had to endure a few days of trial. I can't believe that God would draw Jesus up from the earth because of a brief trial and so he wouldn't suffer, but that he would leave our beloved Holy Prophet (saw) on the earth to endure years of suffering at the hands of the Arabs. I believe that Jesus was a beloved, special prophet of God, but if it comes right down to it, Allah must have loved the Holy Prophet more, meaning if he could save jesus the agony of suffering, he would have saved the holy prophet from suffering as well.

Why wouldn't you? So is it a must that every Prophet withstands the same abuse? These are only assumptions. a few days? What are you talking about? Jesus was a Prophet sent from childbirth, until he was uplifted. Also, who are you to assume that Allah(SWT) should do this and do that? Allah(SWT) does what he likes. If he (SWT) chose to uplift Jesus, and not Muhammed(SAWS), then that is up to him (SWT). Again, these are only assumption's.


Q. Are you a Muslim?

[AbuQuteiba]

Originally Posted by goraya15

sorry, i couldn't find anything on how he would preach to both Christians and Jews. By the way, shouldn't he preach to muslims also?

No he shouldn't. I explained why in the previous post.

Originally Posted by goraya15

Besides, only the Prophet Muhammad was sent as a messenger to all of mankind. It stands to reason that only someone who was a direct subordinate of his, i.e. a muslim messiah, would be sent to preach to all of mankind, meaning people of all faiths. This is why I think that the concept of Jesus returning to earth from the heavens in his same body can't be true. I believe it means someone will be born, a muslim, who will have the essence of Jesus, and his life will be similiar to him, enough that it can be said that Jesus has returned to earth. At least, it seems more probable then the heavens opening up and Jesus floating down to earth.

That's not what the authentic hadeeth says. The Qur'an says, that Jesus(AS) was uplifted, in the flesh. And the authentic hadeeth explain that he will come back in the flesh. More probable? Okaaaaay. So who exactly are you calling a liar? Allah(SWT)? Or the Prophet Muhammed(SAWS)?