Christians: They were banned! (Jesus, gospel, Sodom, homosexuality, hell)

[Endless]

Great. Obesity is a sin. Killing people is a sin. Why aren't they telling overweight people to get out? Why aren't they telling combat active soilders to get out? I'll tell you why....because it's wrong! Passing judgement and condemnation is a sin. Draw the line and throw the finger pointers out too. Since they are persistent in their sin by passing judgement and condemning people.

Obesity is not a sin Neither is killing people if you are in combat in the army - murdering people is a sin. Gluttony does not equal obesity.
If the Bible already condemns homosexuality then we are not passing judgement if the person in question admits homosexuality.

This is absurd. How can anyone even compare pedophilla and homosexuality together is mindboggling!

One word: CONSENT! A child doesn't have a full comprehension of sex until puberty.

You don't seem to understand what paedophilia really is - it is not sexual abuse of a child. It is a state of mind where the individual is attracted to children - prepuberty. People who abuse these children are called paedophiles because they have this attraction towards young children. Therefore being a paedophile does not mean that you will have sex with a child - merely that you are oriented that way.

Homsexuality is a state of mind?! Neither are genetic?!
How about gay people who've tried being straight but can't? Try and turn gay and you'll see where these people are coming from.

How about gay people who have turned straight, how about straight people who have gotten married had children and then 'found out' they were gay? It works both ways - this is the reason why it is not genetic - it is a state of mind. This state of mind is what prevents some gay people from becoming straight etc. But some gays do turn straight. It can only be a state of mind - no scientific study has ever turned up a gay gene because it doesn't exist. It's the same with paedophilia - there is no gene that does that - it's a state of mind, or how your mind has become oriented if you will.
The only comparision i made between them both is that neither is genetic and that both are a state of mind.
Recently the theory is that we are all gay to some degree or other - it can vary one way or another - hence the reason it is a state of mind.

[Mister_T]

Originally Posted by Christiangirl0909

Absolutely! Jesus taught the truth to them. Which is what we should be doing for gay people. And the truth is that homosexuality is a sin.

So is self-righteous finger pointing. Which is why people need to still their wagging tongues and live by example.

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So is self-righteous finger pointing. Which is why people need to still their wagging tongues and live by example.

If you have a brother or sister in Christ who is living in sin, the Bible commands us to talk to them. I don't consider that self-righteous..."finger-pointing"

[Mister_T]

Originally Posted by Endless

Obesity is not a sin Neither is killing people if you are in the army - murdering people is a sin. Gluttony does not equal obesity.

I love double standards. Overeating is a form of gluttony and self indulgence which can lead to becoming obese. Which could be labled as a sin.

Killing people PERIOD is a sin. Thou shalt not kill. Pretty cut and dry. Killing=bad. Jesus said if someone strikes you to turn the other cheek. Not shoot them and bomb their country.

You've obviously missed the point I was getting at. If you're going to preach to people about their sins, then do it equally with everyone and every form of sin. Go preach to some gang members in Compton. Go preach to drug dealers in downtown L.A. or rapists. If your not going to do that then don't do it at all because you're making yourself out to be a hypocrite. Put your money where your mouth is.

If the Bible already condemns homosexuality then we are not passing judgement

Back that up that part about judging with scripture.

You don't seem to understand what paedophilia really is - it is not sexual abuse of a child. It is a state of mind where the individual is attracted to children

You don't seem under understand the concept of mutual consent. The child doesn't have an attraction for the pedophile. 2 gay people have an attraction for each other. No one is being hurt and no one is being taking advantage of. A child doesn't know what sex is and the paedophile takes advantage of the child's naiveness. No one is being taking advantage of in a gay relationship becuase both are consenting.

How about gay people who have turned straight, how about straight people who have gotten married had children and then 'found out' they were gay? It works both ways - this is the reason why it is not genetic - it is a state of mind. This state of mind is what prevents some gay people from becoming straight etc. But some gays do turn straight. It can only be a state of mind - no scientific study has ever turned up a gay gene because it doesn't exist. It's the same with paedophilia - there is no gene that does that - it's a state of mind, or how your mind has become oriented if you will.
The only comparision i made between them both is that neither is genetic and that both are a state of mind.
Recently the theory is that we are all gay to some degree or other - it can vary one way or another - hence the reason it is a state of mind

It does work both ways. But just because something works both ways doesn't mean it's not genetic.

Recently the theory is that we are all gay to some degree or other - it can vary one way or another - hence the reason it is a state of mind

If this is true then try and force yourself to be gay and put this argument to rest once and for all. Try and force yourself to be attracted to someone of the same sex. If you statement is correct, then you'll be gay in no time. But you won't turn gay because you're not wired that way. Go kiss someone of the same sex and see how you feel. That's how some gay people feel kissing someone of the opposite sex.

[Mister_T]

Originally Posted by Christiangirl0909

If you have a brother or sister in Christ who is living in sin, the Bible commands us to talk to them. I don't consider that self-righteous..."finger-pointing"

There are lots of people in sin. Go preach to the cannibal headhunters in parts of Africa about their sins. After all, there our brothers and sisters too! GO PREACH TO ALL SINNERS WITH EQUAL AMOUNTS OF ENTHUSIASM. When I start seeing people do that, I'll stop shouting hypocrite. Becuase that's exactly what they are.

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Originally Posted by onmybelief

I believe I mentioned this in another thread (I can't remember which it was). But a few weeks ago there was a gay couple who was banned from their church on the basis of the fact that they were gay. All I know about it is that somehow the pastor found out about it and forced them from the church. And if that weren't enough the Council of Bishops (the highest rank of the Methodist Church) is backing up the pastor's decision.

This decision just flew in the face of the "Open Hearts; Open Minds; Open doors" policy of the Methodist Church. And the ones who broke the policy are the ones who came up with it! Hypocrites!! I cannot believe they would just walk away from the very teachings the Methodists hold so dear! One being that everyone is invited to come to Christ and God, not just the ones who happen to fit certain criteria!

What are your thoughts on this situation? As you probably have realized now I think it is an atrocity!

I do not know exactly how the events that lead to this incident unfolded so i cannot post on it. (i am not a methodist by the way)

Anyway we are called to give the word of God and be patient with others, But their comes a time when those who are opposed to the truth must be rejected. The homosexual act is an abomination to God and a sin. And those who commit such acts without regret or repentance after having been informed of the evil of their doings should be rejected.

There is no point having fellowship with those who call good what God has called evil.


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[Mister_T]

Originally Posted by Adstar

I do not know exactly how the events that lead to this incident unfolded so i cannot post on it. (i am not a methodist by the way)

Anyway we are called to give the word of God and be patient with others, But their comes a time when those who are opposed to the truth must be rejected. The homosexual act is an abomination to God and a sin. And those who commit such acts without regret or repentance after having been informed of the evil of their doings should be rejected.

There is no point having fellowship with those who call good what God has called evil.


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Mattew 7: 1-5 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother 'Let me take the speck out of your eye' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? you hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers"

How often do you see Jesus bossing his followers
around?

He didn't do that. Instead, he took off their shoes and washed
their dirty feet to show them how they should serve each other. His
life and death are the deep irony of God engaged in the
humble service of mankind.

You're right. There is no point in having fellowship with those who call good what God has called evil. Which is why I steer clear of organized religion.

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It would be well if people minded their own business, especially so called Christians. If something is not a crime and is not hurting others, then how people choose to lead their lives is entirely up to them. Some pastors get off on a power trip of telling their congregation how to behave. In my experience, the more judgmental a Christian is of the perceived sins of others, the more likely their life will not stand up to too much scrutiny!

The Bible is hardly a good example of how to behave. If I really believed that it was the word of the chap upstairs then it would be a case of 'do as I say', not, 'do as I do'! Some terrible events are supposed to be at God's behest, which makes him a worse mass murderer than Saddam!

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Revealing that something is a sin and warning other of it, is Not Judging. It is warning others out of love for them. People must accept Gods will on this. For a sinner to repent they must find out that they are sinners. The Word of God makes us know we are sinners and that motivates us to accept the forgiveness that is available through the Messiah Jesus.

To say to a sinner that their sin is not sin is the worst form of abuse imaginable. Homosexuality is not being singled out because it is a special sin. It is the focus because society is saying that homosexuality is OK. We do not talk about murder as much because society on the most part agrees that murder is wrong.


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