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Old 11-01-2006, 12:19 PM
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49 Following Christ implies that Christ is in one. God always makes the first move toward us -- our action is to respond to what God does.
Amen. i c what you mean

In him was life, and the life was the light of all people.
...this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were evil. For everyone who practices evil hates the light, and doesn't come to the light, lest his works be reproved...
...He was in the world, and the world came into being through Him, yet the world didn't know Him. He came to His own, yet those who were His own didn't receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name, who were begotten...of God


Christian spirituality is about community, not the individual. If grace has been made available to one, it has been made available to all.
Yes.
The last Adam became a life-giving Spirit. Available to be received by anyone who wills. Person by person

"I do not judge anyone who hears my words and does not keep them, for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." (Jn 12:47)
Amen.
12:48 "He who rejects Me and doesn't receive My words has one who judges him; the word which I've spoken, that'll judge him in the last day"

Christ is in the world and, therefore, in us.

To the contrary: He mus be received into you

Those who act in response to that are Christians.
as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name, who were begotten...of God.
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Old 11-02-2006, 08:30 AM
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...this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were evil. For everyone who practices evil hates the light, and doesn't come to the light, lest his works be reproved...
...He was in the world, and the world came into being through Him, yet the world didn't know Him. He came to His own, yet those who were His own didn't receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name, who were begotten...of God
Christ being the Light of the world is a condemnation??? The world stood in condemnation already. Why would Christ have to come to further complicate that problem? No, Christ is the answer to the problem of sin -- not a greater part of that problem.

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The last Adam became a life-giving Spirit. Available to be received by anyone who wills. Person by person
But the gift is a blanket gift -- the gift is for all people.

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"I do not judge anyone who hears my words and does not keep them, for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." (Jn 12:47)
Amen.
12:48 "He who rejects Me and doesn't receive My words has one who judges him; the word which I've spoken, that'll judge him in the last day"
So, you choose to err on the side of unmitigated judgment and condemnation. I choose to err on the side of unconditional love and grace.

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To the contrary: He mus be received into you
Christ said, "you did not choose me, but I chose you." I read a quote (can't remember who) that rings true here: "Freedom isn't the ability to choose -- it's the ability to receive graciously." I hold out hope for the human race that all will eventually graciously receive the grace that belongs to all of us.
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Christ being the Light of the world is a condemnation???
Evidently for some, based on Jesus' words I quoted for you, John 3:19

The world stood in condemnation already
That's my experience

Why would Christ have to come to further complicate that problem? No,
I agree with your "no" answer to your own question.
If we were condemned, Christ doesn't "complicate" or compound that

Christ is the answer to the problem of sin
Not particularly to me if I reject Him, cf Jn 3:19; 1:10-12

-- not a greater part of that problem.
Amen: Christ's the Answer

But the gift is a blanket gift -- the gift is for all people.
Amen, absolutely. John 3:16.
But not there's not a blanket reception. Cf Jn 1:10-12.
Rather: whoever wills. Revelation 22:14, 17

So, you choose to err on the side of unmitigated judgment and condemnation.
To the contrary: Jesus Christ, God's Passover Lamb, was judged for sins so u 'n i don't have to be (Exo 12; Jn 1:29; 3:14).
Az u write: God's "unconditional love and grace."
Amen

Christ said, "you did not choose me, but I chose you."
That means not that we don't choose Him. But rather that He initiated

Freedom isn't the ability to choose -- it's the ability to receive graciously
Receiving is choosing. It's choosing to receive

I hold out hope for the human race that all will eventually graciously receive the grace that belongs to all of us.
I hope all do.
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