Christian: Mary, Mother of God (Jesus Christ, Earth, gospel, grace)

[CaireKecharitomene]

Mary is one of my favorite aspects of my faith. There is plenty important about her:

1. She is the Mother of God.
2. She was Immaculately Conceived. Many people think that "immaculate conception" refers to the conception of Jesus - not true. The Immaculate Conception refers to the conception of Mary without any stain of original sin.
3. She is the Ark of the New Covenant - Jesus is the New Covenant and Mary is the ark by which He was borne into the world.
4. She has been assumed into heaven to be with Him.
5. She has been crowned by Jesus as Queen of Heaven and Earth.

[athanasius]

Amen!

[writer]

31 Mary...is the Mother of God.
Luke 1:43. Meter tou Kurios. W/ the caveat that she's not the source of divinity

She was Immaculately Conceived.
To contrary: she was an experiential and condemned sinner just like the rest o' us (Rom 3:23)

Many people think that "immaculate conception" refers to the conception of Jesus - not true.
Jesus' conception was "immacualte" in the sense that He was conceived (by the Holy Spirit, of Mary's egg) sinless (Jn 3:14; 2 Cor 5:21; Heb 4:15)

The Immaculate Conception refers to the conception of Mary without any stain of original sin.
This's needless, and counterproductive, fairytale

She is the Ark of the New Covenant
To the contrary: the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us, full of grace and reality; and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only Begotten from the Father. Wrote the apostle John

Jesus is the New Covenant
Amen. Jeremiah 31:30-34; Hebrews 8:6-13; Romans 8:2; John 1:1

and Mary is the ark by which He was borne into the world.
she no longer bears Jesus in her womb. That precious duty, experience, and grace of hers was only for 9 months. Temporary. Completed. Long ago. Currently, she, like all those born from above, has the eternal and never-ending blessing (FOR WHICH she had that blessed pregnancy): of bearing Christ as His eternal and blessed Body, the church (Gal 4:6, 19; Col 1:27; Eph 3:17; Philip 1:21; 2:16; John 20:22; 1 Cor 15:45; 6:17; Jn 17:21-23)

She has been assumed into heaven to be with Him.
To the contrary: she hasn't. She, like all believers, awaits His parousia, His return; their resurrection and their assumption to Him

She has been crowned by Jesus as Queen of Heaven and Earth.
To the contrary: she hasn't, never will be individually, and'd pro'ly cry at the thot o' her being labelled so blasphemously. If she knew

[MidnightBlue]

Originally Posted by writer

<She was Immaculately Conceived.>
Too the contrary: she was an experiential and condemned sinner just like the rest of us (Rom 3:23)

Do you believe that Romans 3.23 applies to all human beings without exception? Does it apply to infants? Does it apply to Jesus?

[Genna]

I agree with writer, if mary was conceived as sinless, why does the bible say:

And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. (Luke 1:46,47)

If she was sinless, why would she need a savior?

Also, I found this passage to be very interesting...

42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? (Matthew 22:42-45)

I personally do not believe that Jesus is God. But for those who do, How can Mary be the Mother of God (Jesus) is David called Jesus Lord, not grandson, or great, great....grandson. If Mary is Gods mother, than David would be God's great, great, great ....Grandfather. But David calls Jesus "Lord." hmmm......

[Victor]

Genna, why would Mary having a saviour negate her sinlessness?

God can save people before they are born. That still makes Christ their saviour.

[Genna]

Originally Posted by Victor

Genna, why would Mary having a saviour negate her sinlessness?

God can save people before they are born. That still makes Christ their saviour.

I am not sure what you mean that God can save people before they are born, are you applying this to Mary? Why would Mary need "saving" even if before she was born if she was sinless? people are "saved" from their "sins"!

Matthew 1:21 - And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Genna

Why would Mary need "saving" even if before she was born if she was sinless? people are "saved" from their "sins"!

She was only sinless because of the Grace of God. Grace can be received at any point of someone's existance.

[Genna]

So essentially I can be sinless as of now if God were to bestow His grace upon me?

And if so, how do you reconcile that idea with this verse:

1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Genna

So essentially I can be sinless as of now if God were to bestow His grace upon me?

And if so, how do you reconcile that idea with this verse:

1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

He doesn't bestow sinlessness, He bestows Grace that enables the person to become sinless. In the case of Mary, we believe she responded and accepted God's Grace in a very special way.