Christian: Mary, Mother of God (Jesus Christ, Earth, gospel, grace)

[Ardhanariswar]

i think mary and mary magdalene are feminine counterparts of God.

[Scott1]

LCMS Sprecher,

Hi there! Good to see you back here posting.

While, Mary might have lived a life in the fear of God, and bore his only son into the world; that does not make her any less of a sinner like you or me.

Well, that's your opinion....... what evidence do you have to support that view?

We get into trouble, when Mary is seen as a sinless being akin to Christ (as seen in the Marianist Order of the Catholic Church).

Mary is NEVER seen as akin to Christ...... even by the Marianists......
Mary is to Jesus as the Moon is to the Sun. Period.
To think otherwise is to cease to be Christian.

Again, it comes down to what the Bible says.

It would help if you quoted something............ it's a big book.

Peace,
Scott

[LCMS Sprecher]

"Well, that's your opinion....... what evidence do you have to support that view?"

The Bible makes no reference to Mary being sinless. If she were to be sinless then, we can also achieve sinlessness and Christ's death is meaningless. The Marianist Order seal at my high school reads "in Fide, ad filium per matrem." Now my Latin is not exactly up to superb level, but I know that the translation for that phrase is "in faith, to the son through the mother." Literally speaking, it is akin to saying that we can reach Christ through Mary.

[Scott1]

LCMS,

The Bible makes no reference to Mary being sinless.

According to you.

You also are under the mistaken assumption that everything in your faith is from the Bible. Sola Scriptura does not pass the test in a Lutheran Church...... you know that "Bible Only" Christians refer to the Luther Church as Catholic-Lite????? The priests, service, ceremony, real prescence, etc...... don't pass the test for them.
Anyone in your Church get up and speak in tounges during the service.....? Can't be a "Biblical" Church without it.
Anyone prophesise? Can't be a "Biblical" Church without it.....!
Get the point?

. If she were to be sinless then, we can also achieve sinlessness and Christ's death is meaningless.

That's almost funny........ we can also be called by God to bear the Savior?
Plan on doing that anytime soon?...... let me know, I would like to say hello to the Angel when he reveals the plan of God to you and calls you "full of grace"..... does this happen to a lot of people in your church?
Seriously now...please, think about it for one second. God made a choice to have his Son born of a virgin...... Mary was an accident? Mary was just of the right lineage and didn't have sex yet?
I choose to believe that God had more of a plan than that.... the baby Jesus did not spend MOST of his life with a common sinner..... if it makes you feel less perfect somehow, than I am sorry.

Literally speaking, it is akin to saying that we can reach Christ through Mary.

Again with this...... I thought I put this to rest last post.... oh well.

Without Mary could Christ have been born? If Mary decided to say no to God, would God have forced her? Could Mary have chose to starve the infant Jesus?

You can't have a son without a mother. That's what it means, in addition to the example of faith by Mary. Her "yes" to the will of God and obedience and love to her Son is an example for us all. If you don't understand this now, you are making a decision not to....... I can't help with that.

Peace in Christ,
Scott
Omnes cum Petro ad Iesum per Marium!

[Mister Emu]

you know that "Bible Only" Christians refer to the Luther Church as Catholic-Lite

Sola Scriptura

While I believe that we may find other guides outside the Bible, when a dogma goes against the Bible however no matter what an outside source says it is not true.

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 3:23

According to the book of Romans all have sinned. There is no exception.

There are two choices, either Romans is not part of the Bible, or everyone sins.

[Scott1]

According to the book of Romans all have sinned. There is no exception.

Jesus sinned? NO EXCEPTIONS, right?

Was Jesus not human?

Scott

[Mister Emu]

Jesus sinned? NO EXCEPTIONS, right?

Was Jesus not human?

Jesus is God the Son, you know the whole trinity thing

I would be suprised if saying Jesus was a mere human wasn't blasphemy according to the RCC

[Melody]

Originally Posted by SOGFPP

How does Mary, the mother of our Lord Jesus, factor into your religious life?

I was raised Catholic and attended Catholic school through 8th grade and up and, through that time, I would say she factored heavily. We were taught that we could pray to Mary as an intercessor. Just one of the little niggling problems I had difficulty overcoming...why did I need an intercessor with God...but I'm not going to go there.

Back to your question....until recently I have to admit that she has not played a part in my spiritual life at all. I read the New Testament and Mary has an important part but she sort of drops into the background as time goes on. A not very important character after the birth of Jesus...or so I thought.

Then I saw "The Passion" and found myself relating to this woman as a mother. While watching the movie, I remember thinking about how much this woman must have suffered while watching while they tortured and crucified her son...and yet she still had faith in God. She embodies the "perfect submission" to God's will. She may not have understand why, but she remained faithful.

She's become more important in my spiritual life because now when I pray, I pray for that "perfect submission" to God's will and that my faith will be as strong as Mary's.

Sorry...I feel as if I'm rambling a bit here so I'll finish.

[Scott1]

Mr. Emu

Never said Jesus was a "mere human"....... nice "revision/lie", but not the truth.

Jesus WAS fully human AND fully divine.

Thanks for the input,
Scott