Christian: Mary, Mother of God (Jesus Christ, Earth, gospel, grace)

[rocka21]

no answers for my questions?

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by rocka21

how many times did Paul mention her in his letter to the churches?

Not really sure.

how many times was mary mentioned after acts 1? ( she was in the upper room filled with the holy ghost speaking with other tounges.)

Not really sure.... none?

If I guess right, do I win something?

how are you sure revelations queen is talking about Mary?

I'm not.... it could be "talking" about a few things, one of which might me the Mother of God?

This is fun! Anything else?

[athanasius]

The rosary.....my weapon of choice! St Pio was right!

[James the Persian]

Originally Posted by sojourner

Personally, I find that many RC's ascribe too much to Mary, and that many Protestants dismiss too much.

I ascribe worth to her as the mother of God and the ark or the New Covenant, in that she was faithful to God and bore Jesus. But the immaculate conception and bodily assumption? That's a stretch for me.

Personally, I just wish that English speaking Roman Catholics (and some Orthodox though it's rarer) wouldn't use that awful mistranslation of Theotokos. It does not mean Mother of God (though she undoubtedly was that in all senses but being the mother of Christ's Divinity) and never was meant to mean that. It means, literally, the Birthgiver of God and, as such, is a Christological statement and not an attempt to deify Mary, but the use of that poor translation just cries out for an attack from ignorant Protestants who don't understand that.

Now, I do agree that the RCC goes too far in its Mariology, with Marian dogmas, for instance, but I don't think that most RCs ascribe too much to her. There are some, but they are a fringe (and there's even a tiny set of these in my Church) who almost seem to worship her, but it's by no means the majority and nor is it the official teaching of the RCC (thankfully). You're undoubtedly right that Protestants dismiss too much, though. In fact, unless you want to include High Church Anglicans as Protestant, which would be a stretch, the number who do accord her anything like what she deserves are probably just as tiny as the fringe lunatics in the RCC who seem to practically worship her.

James

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by JamesThePersian

Personally, I just wish that English speaking Roman Catholics (and some Orthodox though it's rarer) wouldn't use that awful mistranslation of Theotokos. It does not mean Mother of God (though she undoubtedly was that in all senses but being the mother of Christ's Divinity) and never was meant to mean that. It means, literally, the Birthgiver of God and, as such, is a Christological statement and not an attempt to deify Mary, but the use of that poor translation just cries out for an attack from ignorant Protestants who don't understand that.

Now, I do agree that the RCC goes too far in its Mariology, with Marian dogmas, for instance, but I don't think that most RCs ascribe too much to her. There are some, but they are a fringe (and there's even a tiny set of these in my Church) who almost seem to worship her, but it's by no means the majority and nor is it the official teaching of the RCC (thankfully). You're undoubtedly right that Protestants dismiss too much, though. In fact, unless you want to include High Church Anglicans as Protestant, which would be a stretch, the number who do accord her anything like what she deserves are probably just as tiny as the fringe lunatics in the RCC who seem to practically worship her.

James

I agree with your understanding of "Mother of God." That's how I understand it too. Thanks for that clarification. Although my exposure to Roman Catholicism is admittedly truncated, many of the RC's with whom I've had contact do practically worship her. I guess I should have qualified my statement.

[rocka21]

after the gospels, mary was mentioned one time. ( acts chapter 1).
why did Paul not mention her not even one time to his letters to the churches. romans, Corinth, Philippians, etc. or to his son in the spirit timothy? Don't you think when he was instructing the early church how to have church ( deacons, pastors, gifts of the spirit, prophesies) he would at lest mention her one time?


i would like to hear the catholic or any answers to this.

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by rocka21

how many times did Paul mention her in his letter to the churches?

Zero.

Originally Posted by rocka21

how many times was mary mentioned after acts 1? ( she was in the upper room filled with the holy ghost speaking with other tounges.)

If you mean "after" in the sense of reading the books in their official canonical order that would also be zero.

Originally Posted by rocka21

how are you sure revelations queen is talking about Mary?

Through doublethink or faith.

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by rocka21

after the gospels, mary was mentioned one time. ( acts chapter 1).
why did Paul not mention her not even one time to his letters to the churches. romans, Corinth, Philippians, etc. or to his son in the spirit timothy? Don't you think when he was instructing the early church how to have church ( deacons, pastors, gifts of the spirit, prophesies) he would at lest mention her one time?


i would like to hear the catholic or any answers to this.

Remember, Paul addressed specific issues with specific congregations in his letters. If he spouted doctrine, it was with regard to the specific problem. How would Mary have been cogent to those issues?

Also, it may be interesting to note that some of Paul's letters pre-date the gospels.

[rocka21]

yes , but shouldn't the new testament be the basis for the church? if we were not instructed to pray to mary, through mary, or if she's not even mentioned ......

i guess my point is, did paul , timothy , or james pray to or ( through) mary? did they pray the rosery? was there a statue of mary in the antioch chruch or any of the paul established chruches?

[rocka21]

yes , but shouldn't the new testament be the basis for the church? if we were not instructed to pray to mary, through mary, or if she's not even mentioned ......

i guess my point is, did paul , timothy , or james pray to or ( through) mary? did they pray the rosery? was there a statue of mary in the antioch church or any of the paul established churches?