Christian - Christ is the only way to salvation (Jesus Christ, ritual)

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by Mujahid Mohammed

Again I must ask where does Jesus say these things in the scriptures. And is Jesus God or son of God or Trinity because there are many Christian groups saying different things in terms of what happens in the afterlife who is correct and how do you know since all claim to have the word of God. Who is lying and who is telling the truth. Give the criterion for who has the correct knowledge lay it out for me brother please because I am interested in trying to find reason in the Christian Conundrum.

so you want an overview of my beleifs and why I beleive them?

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

so you want an overview of my beleifs and why I beleive them?

Not really an overview just scriptural references I can verify from and to explain when you said accept God do you mean Jesus.

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by Mujahid Mohammed

Not really an overview just scriptural references I can verify from and to explain when you said accept God do you mean Jesus.

Okay. So what do you want scripture references for? do you want me to stay in the bible, or use the book of mormon et al.? when i say accept god, i do mean jesus, but jesus is doing god's will, so yuo might as well say god

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

Okay. So what do you want scripture references for? do you want me to stay in the bible, or use the book of mormon et al.? when i say accept god, i do mean jesus, but jesus is doing god's will, so yuo might as well say god

I just like to have references so I can check my bibles and see if these dogmas are present. And how can God be the same as Jesus. Is not God, God and Jesus, Jesus two completely seperate individual because one is dependant on the other. Is is not true the Creator can not be the created. And if Jesus is doing God's will then Jesus is the servant and is the servant ever the same as the master. And you can use them both if you like because if there from the same God should they not have the same ideas interms of the hereafter.

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by Mujahid Mohammed

I just like to have references so I can check my bibles and see if these dogmas are present.

yes but which dogmas specifically?

And how can God be the same as Jesus. Is not God, God and Jesus, Jesus two completely seperate individual because one is dependant on the other.

they are. I never said they were the one and the same

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

yes but which dogmas specifically?

they are. I never said they were the one and the same

The dogmas I am referring to are when you were explaining the things to come I believe some Protestants call it the rapture I am not saying you adhere to this dogma. It was the ones you stated in the earlier posts I believe it was two or three before you stated about a 1000 years, Jesus coming etc. and you said in response to my question that they are I believe you mean the same but you never said they were one and the same but you said in the earlier post they might as well be because he is doings God's will. So they might as well be. Does this not mean that they are the same I am a little confused in your answer. You said "they are" but then you said " I never said they were the one and the same". Please forgive me for my ignorance but explain what you mean and if I knew how to post quotes from different post it would possibly become a little more clear

[Aqualung]

okay. I'll do that for you. to post quotes from different posts, you write <quote=Aqualung> except in place of < and > you put [ and ]. then to end the quote you write [/quote]. so I'll try to clearify the dogmas in a little while. Possibly not till tomorrow.

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by Mujahid Mohammed

The dogmas I am referring to are when you were explaining the things to come I believe some Protestants call it the rapture

The things about the spirit prison and what not? Okay, here goes that explanation. When you die, you don't go right up to heaven to see Jesus, or right to hell to suffer for all of eternity. You either go to paradise, if you were good, or to the spirit prison, if you were bad. A good way to show that you don't go right to "heaven" is to show what Jesus said when he was on the cross. Luke 23:39-43 states "And one of te malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou are in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."

Okay, so a lot of people thinks that this means that right when you die you will go to "heaven." This isn't true, because you have to look at where Jesus was on that day, and therefore where the guy was going, too. 1 Peter 3:18-19 say "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison." So Jesus went to the spirit prison. There's the short version.

[Aqualung]

and you said in response to my question that they are I believe you mean the same but you never said they were one and the same but you said in the earlier post they might as well be because he is doings God's will.

I don't beleive that Jesus and God are the same. But they are perfectly united in purpose. That means that if Jesus does something, it is the will of the Father that he do it, and if Jesus doesn't do something, it's because the Father doesn't want him to do it. They are different people, but they are never at odds with each other.