Christian - Christ is the only way to salvation (Jesus Christ, ritual)

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Originally Posted by Jenyar

Jesus' invitation is extended to everyone, but not everyone will accept: "For many are invited, but few are chosen" (Matt. 22:14). Compare the parable of the wedding banquet. How do we know who are chosen? Only through Christ. "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).

Revelation 17:14
They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers."

I am just curious are you saying Jesus's(pbuh) message was for everyone and that Christ is the only key to salvation. Salvation is found in noone else but him

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by Mujahid Mohammed

I am just curious are you saying Jesus's(pbuh) message was for everyone and that Christ is the only key to salvation. Salvation is found in noone else but him

It means, in my view, that I can't save myself, and that nobody else can save me. I will never be able, through my own efforts, save myself

[oneWord]

Have you ever read the Words of Jesus Himself? Read! He talks the most about Hell in the BIble. (I mean 'woe') Why don't you replenish this particulr forum by reading His words on HELL/Salvation?! (we all are constantly confused) We HEAR His voice, and FOLLOW Him. (period) The Holy Spirit convicts us to do it-we can't 'choose' and we can't 'hide'. We are made 'new'. The Word cuts, divides, feeds, levins. We have no choice, either we deny Him (pretend) or we are slaves of/to Christ....it's a wild journey either way! I pray God does so tonight for all!

[Aqualung]

Here's another great quote from Katzpur.

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Maybe we're just defining our terms differently. When I think of "rules," I think "commandments." The following verses, among others, are all taken from the New Testament as opposed to the Old Testament:

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

1 John 2:3-4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:22,24 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

John 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

I'm not trying to minimize the importance of the two greatest commandments (loving God and loving our fellow man), but there are commandments other than these, and we as Christians are expected to keep them -- all of them. So, either you disagree, and simply gloss over such verses, or you agree but don't consider commandments to be rules. I'm curious... Which is it?

By the way, I also consider sacraments and ordinances to have been initiated by Jesus Christ. Consequently, I consider receiving them to be part of what is meant by keeping His commandments.

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

It means, in my view, that I can't save myself, and that nobody else can save me. I will never be able, through my own efforts, save myself

Do you believe in the day of Judgement? Are not people accountable for their own actions as it says in the book of Ezichiel The father shall not bear the inequity of the son and the son shall not bear the inequity of the father. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Does this not mean that every person is accountable for his and her own action. And if there is no Day of Judgement what is the purpose of our creation. And if Jesus is the path of salvation what is the point shouldn't I according to certain Christian dogma go to heaven regardless of my conduct. Could I be a murderer, pedophile, rapist, and any other type sinner. Jesus (pbuh) has already taken all of everyone sins this is something that has always been confusing can you please clarify for me.

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by Mujahid Mohammed

Do you believe in the day of Judgement?

Yes

Originally Posted by Mujahid Mohammed

Are not people accountable for their own actions as it says in the book of Ezichiel

Of course they are. But if Jesus hadn't sacrificed himslef for me, I would be a goner. I'm not good enough, nor is anybody, to get into God's presence. But I'm definiltey accountalbe for whe I did.

Originally Posted by Mujahid Mohammed

And if Jesus is the path of salvation what is the point shouldn't I according to certain Christian dogma go to heaven regardless of my conduct. Could I be a murderer, pedophile, rapist, and any other type sinner. Jesus (pbuh) has already taken all of everyone sins this is something that has always been confusing can you please clarify for me.

No. He has not already done that. The only thing that Jesus has extended to everybody is resurection from the dead. But in order to inherit a high place in heaven, you not only have to beleive in Jesus, but you have to strive to follow his commandments.

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

Yes
Of course they are. But if Jesus hadn't sacrificed himslef for me, I would be a goner. I'm not good enough, nor is anybody, to get into God's presence. But I'm definiltey accountalbe for whe I did.
No. He has not already done that. The only thing that Jesus has extended to everybody is resurection from the dead. But in order to inherit a high place in heaven, you not only have to beleive in Jesus, but you have to strive to follow his commandments.

So after we die if we do not accept the sacrifice of Jesus what happens to everyone else do they just stay in the grave are not all people to be resurrected on the Day of Judgement and be judged before God. Another question where in the scripture does Jesus say all of these things. that he was going to die for the worlds sin be resurrected and this is the plan of the father. Is there a place in the scripture where Jesus says in his own words that all of these events will take place. And if Jesus did not sacrifice hiself how would you be a goner do you mean you would just die or you would never had existed. And who decided all of this God or Jesus.

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by Mujahid Mohammed

So after we die if we do not accept the sacrifice of Jesus what happens to everyone else do they just stay in the grave are not all people to be resurrected on the Day of Judgement and be judged before God. Another question where in the scripture does Jesus say all of these things. that he was going to die for the worlds sin be resurrected and this is the plan of the father. Is there a place in the scripture where Jesus says in his own words that all of these events will take place. And if Jesus did not sacrifice hiself how would you be a goner do you mean you would just die or you would never had existed. And who decided all of this God or Jesus.

No. after we die we go either to spirit prison or to paradise. This is a holding area before we get judged. Then Jesus comes for his mellenial reign. This is where the judgement takes place. The people who have chosen to accept Jesus get to live on earth for his millenial reign, while the others get put into a place of torment (hell) for the 1000 years. After that, the one's who had accepted Jesusgo to one of the two highest degrees of glory, where they either recieve of the fullness of the Father or of the fullness of the Son. THe ones who didn't accept Jesus get resurected inot the lowest degree of heaven. They only recieve of the fullness of the holy ghost. The ones who rejected God (which is different than just accepting him) die a second, spiritual death, because they are eternally cut off from the presence of andy part of the Godhead

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Mujahid Mohammed

Do you believe in the day of Judgement? Are not people accountable for their own actions as it says in the book of Ezichiel The father shall not bear the inequity of the son and the son shall not bear the inequity of the father. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Does this not mean that every person is accountable for his and her own action. And if there is no Day of Judgement what is the purpose of our creation. And if Jesus is the path of salvation what is the point shouldn't I according to certain Christian dogma go to heaven regardless of my conduct. Could I be a murderer, pedophile, rapist, and any other type sinner. Jesus (pbuh) has already taken all of everyone sins this is something that has always been confusing can you please clarify for me.

Hi, Mujahid. I believe you may have misunderstood. Yes, we are definitely to be held accountable for our own actions. But we believe that no unclean thing can enter God's presence. When we enter into a covenant relationship with Jesus Christ, whom we believe to be God's only begotten Son, he assumes our guilt for us. But in turn, we promise to continue to try our best to obey Gods' commandments, and to repent when we fall short. It is impossible to be a true Christian by simply offering lip-service to our Savior. We are under a solemn promise to do our part, too. Jesus is the "author of salvation unto all them that obey him," not unto the individual who willfully disregards His commandments and never makes an effort to repent of his sins. I hope this clarifies this belief to some extent.