Christian: "Church" (Jesus Christ, Latter-Day Saints, Earth, attend, doctrine)

[glasgowchick]

Originally Posted by Scott1

I guess I can't find the way ND... I don't have a clue what you are getting at.... let's see what other Christians may offer this thread.

Hi Scot, I believe that Jesus started only one church, I believe the Church consists of a body of baptized believers, I believe that the Church was started on the first day of penticost [ Acts 2 ] those who heard the the Gospel or good news repented and where Baptized.

Acts 2: 36 So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus whom you crucified to be both Lord and messiah 37 Peters words pierced their hearts and they said to him and to the other apostles brothers what shall we do 38 Peter replied Each of you must Repent of your sins, Turn to God and be Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ to show you have recieved the forgiveness of your sins, Then you will recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit 39 This promise is to you and your children and even to the Gentiles, All who have been called by the Lord our God. 40 Then Peter continued preaching for a long time, strongly urging all his listeners " save yourself from this crooked generation. 41 Those who believed what Peter said were baptized and added to the church about 3000 in all..
Moving down to verse 47 All the while praising God and enjoying the Good will of all people And each day the Lord added to thier fellowship Those who were being saved... what did Peter tell people to do,,Each of you must REPENT of your sins turn to God and Be baptized for the forgiveness of sins and then you will recieve the Gift of the Holy Spirit..This Is what I believe is the entrance into Christs Church..

[Uncertaindrummer]

Well of course Scott knows what I think...

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by Victor

ND, in your faith why do very few find the way? What is keeping them back? Sin?

Sorry I missed this Victor.

There are two scriptures which come to mind:

Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
A Tree and Its Fruit

15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' NIV

and of course;

Matthew 13:1 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: "A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 He who has ears, let him hear."


10 The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?"

11 He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables:
"Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
" 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15 For this people's heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.' 16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. 18 "Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. 22 The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. 23 But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown." NIV

[James the Persian]

Scott,

I'm pretty sure you know my opinion on the matter. Our ecclesiology is not so different to yours (except in the obvious question as to where the Church is). I'll be happy to clarify things for others, though, if they don't know but are interested in our position.

James

[Terrywoodenpic]

I follow the anglo Catholic view on the Church. Which is of course almost the same as the catholic stance. Except for who is the head of the church, and the matter of women priests.
Of couse some of my personal views put me a little beyond the pale.
But I am sure God still loves me.

Terry
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Blessed are the pure of heart, they shall behold their God.

[Uncertaindrummer]

[QUOTE=IacobPersul]Scott,

I'm pretty sure you know my opinion on the matter. Our ecclesiology is not so different to yours (except in the obvious question as to where the Church is). I'll be happy to clarify things for others, though, if they don't know but are interested in our position.

James[/quote]
Actually we don't even really disagree on where the Church is--just where the authority lies. Or at least, I am rather sure of that...

[James the Persian]

Originally Posted by Uncertaindrummer

Actually we don't even really disagree on where the Church is--just where the authority lies. Or at least, I am rather sure of that...

Don't we? I thought that Roman Catholic teaching was that the RCC is the One True Church, just as Orthodox teaching is that the Orthodox Catholic Church is the One True Church. Surely we can't both be right, which is why many of us (on both sides) have serious issues with the two lungs idea that Pope John Paul II came up with and which Patriarch Bartholomew foolishly seems to have accepted.

Admittedly, we say that we know where the Church is but cannot be certain where it is not, so we can admit the possibility that Roman Catholics are in the Church, but the vast majority of Orthodox would certainly never affirm that they are. My experience of Roman Catholics leads me to believe that most of them would say we are outside of the Church also. There's more that separates us than just whether the Pope of Rome has authority or not.

James

[Uncertaindrummer]

Originally Posted by IacobPersul

Don't we? I thought that Roman Catholic teaching was that the RCC is the One True Church, just as Orthodox teaching is that the Orthodox Catholic Church is the One True Church. Surely we can't both be right, which is why many of us (on both sides) have serious issues with the two lungs idea that Pope John Paul II came up with and which Patriarch Bartholomew foolishly seems to have accepted.

Admittedly, we say that we know where the Church is but cannot be certain where it is not, so we can admit the possibility that Roman Catholics are in the Church, but the vast majority of Orthodox would certainly never affirm that they are. My experience of Roman Catholics leads me to believe that most of them would say we are outside of the Church also. There's more that separates us than just whether the Pope of Rome has authority or not.

James

Well what I mean is, we say that your Preisthood is valid, your sacraments are valid, etc. etc. etc. The only thing is we would say you are in schism.

[James the Persian]

Originally Posted by Uncertaindrummer

Well what I mean is, we say that your Preisthood is valid, your sacraments are valid, etc. etc. etc. The only thing is we would say you are in schism.

But we do not reciprocate in this. At most we can say that we don't know for certain that your sacraments are invalid. There's definitely a difference here. (And we also believe some of your doctrines - particularly the filioque - are heresies, so there is more at play here than a simple Schism).

James