Christian: Some passages about Jesus being God (Jesus Christ, Moses, Earth)

[Dentonz]

I don't believe that any one can fully understand the trinity. But we were made in God's image so we are a trinity also. Body, mind, and spirit.
God the Father is God the whole being the beginning and end of all that is.
Jesus is the manifistation of the word of God. The Holy Spirit is the power of God. Jesus was a body of flesh(man). With the mind of God and power of the Holy Spirit. Just because we don't have the ability to manifest ourselves in different ways doesn't mean that the Allmighty can't.

[Qumran]

Would you please tell us what translation these quotes are from? That would be very helpful.

[Linus]

Originally Posted by Qumran

Would you please tell us what translation these quotes are from? That would be very helpful.

I can't remember what they are all from. The most recent passage (Matthew 4:7) is from the NASB. I'm pretty sure all of the pasages from the initial posts are from that version as well.

You can double check at www.biblegateway.com

[Linus]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

Because he is our lord and god, since he is the one with direct "control," if you will, over us.

Now I'm afraid it is I who am lost. What do you mean by that? Are in supporting or opposing the suggestion that Jesus is God?

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by Linus

Now I'm afraid it is I who am lost. What do you mean by that? Are in supporting or opposing the suggestion that Jesus is God?

Okay. Jesus is our God. It's like we're all teachers. And Jesus is the principle of the school. Jesus is the one who will judge us, and see if what we're doing is good, etc. And he can pretty much do that on his own. But God, our's and Jesus's father, is still there, like the superintendent of the school. He oversees Jesus. But nevertheless we answer to Jesus.

Does that make sense now?

[Jenyar]

Aqualung,

How do LDS reconcile Jesus' reference with their doctrine (where Jesus is just a god among gods)?

Here is the temptation where Satan tests Jesus:

Matt. 4:6-8
"If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written:
" 'He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'"
Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'"

Jesus quotes Deut. 6:16. Here it is in context (with the Shema that precedes it):

Deut. 6:4;15-17
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. ... Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name. Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you; for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land. Do not test the LORD your God as you did at Massah. Be sure to keep the commands of the LORD your God and the stipulations and decrees he has given you.

If there ever was a clear identification of God the Father, Deut. 6 is it. The reference to Massah is equally relevant. How did the Israelites "test the Lord" there? Here is the account:

Ex. 17:5-7
The LORD answered Moses, "Walk on ahead of the people. Take with you some of the elders of Israel and take in your hand the staff with which you struck the Nile, and go. I will stand there before you by the rock at Horeb. Strike the rock, and water will come out of it for the people to drink." So Moses did this in the sight of the elders of Israel. And he called the place Massah and Meribah because the Israelites quarreled and because they tested the LORD saying, "Is the LORD among us or not?"

Remember what Jesus would be called, according to prophecy? Immanuel, "God with us" (Matt. 1:23). Jesus is the presence of the Father "with us": "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within [or among] you."

I'll summarize to make sure you understand my point: When Jesus is tested by Satan (who calls him "the Son of God"), Jesus trumps him by quoting a scripture about God the Father, in reference to himself. (Keep in mind that Jesus said it was his Father whom the Jews called their God, not himself: John 8:54). Jesus does not seem to think he is a god among gods - he is the only visible presence of the One God (Col 1:15), and that's why the same glory and honour is due to Him than to the Father (cf. Rev. 5:12-14). He is the Superintendent who became Principle.

[glasgowchick]

Originally Posted by Scott1

OK.... but WHY?

What was he "right" about?

What's the point of following Jesus over, say.... any other philosophy?

You just happen to like Christ's better than those?

Thanks in advance for answering... we haven't had a ".001%" Christian like yourself around to chat with before.... this has been a great education if your beliefs... bless you for sharing with us!

Peace.... from the other 99.999% of us ,
Scott

must past furbals before giving them to scott again

[glasgowchick]

Ok If Jesus is not God manifested in the flesh..how would one answer here..

Isaiah 40:3 The voice of him that crieth out in the wilderness, prepare ye the way of our Lord, make straight in the dessert a highway for our God

now the fulfilment of this is John the baptist crying in the wilderness, but the question is who showed up ?..