Christians: Do you believe in evangelism? (Jesus Christ, ritual, testimony, reject) - Page 5

Tzeitel · #41 03-14-2005, 01:02 PM

you think that by handing out soup people are being saved? Just like those humanistic organizations sending money and supplies to Asia after the tsunami- money to feed DEAD people (because they ARE dead- they're spiritually dead and going to hell) No one is giving them a sandwich and saying "You need to stop worshipping Buddha and accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your saviour." Now that would be the way to do it. But no, we are feeding people only to extend their physical life until the time they die and Christ says, "because you have rejected me, I now reject you."

Scuba Pete · #42 03-14-2005, 01:04 PM

I am in favor of evangelizing in the way that FEELS right for YOU!

Every waking minute and each human interaction is consecrated to reaching the world.

No*s · #43 03-14-2005, 01:08 PM

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notice how Christ does not say we are the "sweetness of the world" but SALT- salt is more likely something to be spat out than savoured. It can be biting at times. So is the gospel- a two edged sword, brought to the world by the Lord's disciples.

I don't see how that refutes Christ's statements about people seeing the works of Christians and glorifying God on account of it. He blatantly stated they glorify God because of the works of Christ's followers. For what it's worth, you misunderstand the meaning of salt in the ancient world. It was rare, and hard to get. Its saltiness seasoned things, and it was used to preserve things. Salt was about as valuable a commodity as it got when it came to foodstuffs.

Tzeitel · #44 03-14-2005, 01:08 PM

I believe that God has given us spiritual gifts to do his work, but I don't really believe that there is any part in scripture that says to do something only if it "feels" right. Isn't there that nagging in your soul when you see someone and it tells you "tell them about Jesus, tell them about Jesus" and you push it away? And then you feel bad about it.

Melody · #45 03-14-2005, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tzeitel

notice how Christ does not say we are the "sweetness of the world" but SALT- salt is more likely something to be spat out than savoured. It can be biting at times. So is the gospel- a two edged sword, brought to the world by the Lord's disciples.

I would rather stand in front of the throne and explain why I chose to let Christ's light shine through my actions instead of trying to explain why I drove thousands away from Christianity through hardline evangelization.

I can't speak for you since I don't know you personally, but I know many hell and brimstone evangelizers and they can suck the joy out of life and faith faster than a mosquito sucks blood from a hemophiliac. Non-christian and christian alike (except for those who share this view) are repelled. How does that promote God's love and bring His people to Him?

No*s · #46 03-14-2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tzeitel

you think that by handing out soup people are being saved? Just like those humanistic organizations sending money and supplies to Asia after the tsunami- money to feed DEAD people (because they ARE dead- they're spiritually dead and going to hell) No one is giving them a sandwich and saying "You need to stop worshipping Buddha and accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your saviour." Now that would be the way to do it. But no, we are feeding people only to extend their physical life until the time they die and Christ says, "because you have rejected me, I now reject you."

Yes, I think it has a good deal to do with it, and with the salvation of the Christian. I would go so far as to say that it is required.

And when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then will He sit upon His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on His left.

Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.'

"Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' "And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me.'

"Then He will also say to those on the left, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.'

"Then they also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and we did not minister to You?' "Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, neither did you do it to Me.' "And these shall go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Mt 25.31-46

Melody · #47 03-14-2005, 01:20 PM

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"Then they also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and we did not minister to You?' "Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, neither did you do it to Me.' "And these shall go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Mt 25.31-46

"You must spread some Karma around before giving it to No*s again."

I'll try and remember to come back.

Tzeitel · #48 03-14-2005, 01:37 PM

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I would rather stand in front of the throne and explain why I chose to let Christ's light shine through my actions instead of trying to explain why I drove thousands away from Christianity through hardline evangelization.

I really don't believe that's how Christ will have it- I believe that he will do the asking about "I told you to tell these people about me and you didn't and they didn't have an opportunity to know how to be saved and now they're going to go to hell."

It is not the person who drives away the unsaved, but the gospel- it is a two edged sword and the flesh hates anything that is good and holy. The devil will try his best to keep these people from coming to the Lord. It is not you who drive them away but their own desire to continue in sin that keeps them from accepting Jesus Christ.

Do you really think that those people who would outrightly reject the gospel when presented to them would think that being a Christian is so fun ( not drinking, not partying, not Remember, to THEM sin IS fun.

Scuba Pete · #49 03-14-2005, 01:45 PM

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Do you really think that those people who would outrightly reject the gospel when presented to them would think that being a Christian is so fun

Shame on the Christians that they know, if they don't see just how much more fun Christianity actually is!

As for our final judgement... our hearts are the only thing that will be judged. They are either in love with God or not.

Scuba Pete · #50 03-14-2005, 01:49 PM

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It is not the person who drives away the unsaved,

No, it is their lack of love that often does this. And Satan has blinded them with pride into believing that their attitude does not alienate. It is sad when Satan's most effective tools are those who claim Jesus as Lord but don't have the love to really back it up.