400 + Kids Taken From Texas FLDS Compound (elders, LDS, marriage, God)

[texan1]

Originally Posted by jonny

And I've seen enough interviews with the lady who made that movie to believe that she is a psycho. I honestly can't stand her. Anyone who takes advantage of child abuse to push their movie is disgusting.

Well, you could be right; I don't know much about that woman. But I think it's still a good thing that their stories are heard. And I think it would be terrible if the women in Texas have their children taken away simply due to polygamy, especially since they most likely had no choice with regards to practicing polygamy in the first place.

It was strange though in my opinion. All of the women interviewed seemed so lifeless, like their souls and their personalities were maybe sucked away from them in this culture. Like they had been beaten down - they looked like the living dead. It seems like most women would be much more passionate and angry if they were in this position. I would be fighting tooth and nail to get my kids back if it was me. Anyway, such a sad situation.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by mrscardero

Thank You for explaining it to me. Now I understand.

You're welcome.

[jonny]

Originally Posted by texan1

Well, you could be right; I don't know much about that woman. But I think it's still a good thing that their stories are heard. And I think it would be terrible if the women in Texas have their children taken away simply due to polygamy, especially since they most likely had no choice with regards to practicing polygamy in the first place.

It was strange though in my opinion. All of the women interviewed seemed so lifeless, like their souls and their personalities were maybe sucked away from them in this culture. Like they had been beaten down - they looked like the living dead. It seems like most women would be much more passionate and angry if they were in this position. I would be fighting tooth and nail to get my kids back if it was me. Anyway, such a sad situation.

I agree. It's like they have no personalities. I've seen interviews with other women from the same FLDS sect that were completely different. They were laughing and joking. The women at the YFZ ranch are not "normal" polygamists. There are some other social things going on there. Or maybe they've just got bad social skills.

The one thing that really bothered me was the number of pictures of Warren Jeffs that the woman had in her house. I can see having one picture of the prophet in your house, but I counted three or four of the same picture of him in one room. Every picture in her home was of him. Strange, especially given the reason that the guy is in prison. Don't know if you noticed, but the guy from Bountiful obviously didn't have much respect for Warren.

My impression is that the families in the ranch are either Warren Jeffs' families or people very close to him.

[texan1]

I agree - I noticed the pictures of Warren Jeffs too. Creepy. I have also heard stories from members of other polygamous groups (Canada & Utah) that seemed to indicate that whatever went on at the YFZ ranch was different, and stemmed from Warren Jeffs twisted leadership.

[jonny]

Originally Posted by texan1

I agree - I noticed the pictures of Warren Jeffs too. Creepy. I have also heard stories from members of other polygamous groups (Canada & Utah) that seemed to indicate that whatever went on at the YFZ ranch was different, and stemmed from Warren Jeffs twisted leadership.

I'm surprised that someone hasn't taken over the church from him. It seems that he kinda took over by force when his father died. I don't think that the guy from Bountiful still views Warren Jeffs as a prophet. I wonder where the people in Hillsdale and Colorado City stand.

[painted wolf]

it my be harsh of me, but I think the woman who gives her 15 year old daughter to a 50 year old man is just as guilty as the man.

I hope this mess gets cleaned up quickly and as tough as fairness allows.

wa:do

[jonny]

Originally Posted by painted wolf

it my be harsh of me, but I think the woman who gives her 15 year old daughter to a 50 year old man is just as guilty as the man.

I don't think anyone disagrees with you on that point. The point where there disagreement on is whether or not the neighbors are guilty also. Texas obviously thinks they are. I don't.

[painted wolf]

The neighbors in this case are also part of the culture of abuse.

The neighbor who celebrates the abuse of a child is also guilty of that abuse. The neighbor who facilitates that abuse is not without guilt.

If a man has 50 wives and they all have a few children, then the numbers of abuse victims rises sharply.

wa:do

[jonny]

Hopefully all the evidence that has been gathered doesn't become inadmissible in court.

ABC News: Polygamy Trail Leads to Colorado

This is why I've been arguing for due process.