Wahhabism (ritual, reject, Ramadan, tradition, beliefs)

[TashaN]

Actually, this have nothing to do with the so called Wahhabism but with the way how the scholars in Saudi Arabia studied the religion and they don't speak just out of opnion but through proofs from Quran and Sunnah.

I agree that many Saudian see their way of islam as the most accurate one but that doesn't mean, the scholars do believe in the same way as well.

The scholars have no reason to neglect whether sufism or any other sect without pointing out that from an islamic point of veiw.

[AbuQuteiba]

Originally Posted by shaktinah

I know Muslims who would definately disagree with this.

Islam is not a religion where you can get up and agree with something or not agree with something. Islam is a religion based on proof from the Qur'an or from the Sunna. The muslims you know who would definately disagree with this, probably have neither. Also, Wahabissm, as i said, isnt a title created by the people its been put on. Its been created by people who usually do things without proof to what they do, or do not do.

And if its ok, i'de like to hear some of what these muslims you know have to say.

[MidnightBlue]

Originally Posted by almifkhar

i am new to islam myself but my understanding of the wahhabis are that it was more or less highjacked by the brittish back in the day and that they (powers that be in saudi and the brittish) twisted it to fit their political agenda. i admit that i am not the authority on this subject but it seems to make sense to me when you consider the rise of the saud kingship and the tight fisted control the brittish wanted to keep in the oil rich arabian peninnsula.

The British liked Wahhabism because they thought it was something like Protestantism. They tried, no doubt, to use to both the Wahhabis and Abdul Aziz for their own purposes, but it didn't work out very well for them. Abdul Aziz was always a step ahead of them. This being the Wahhabi forum, I'll limit my comments to that.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by champion

Islam is not a religion where you can get up and agree with something or not agree with something. Islam is a religion based on proof from the Qur'an or from the Sunna. The muslims you know who would definately disagree with this, probably have neither. Also, Wahabissm, as i said, isnt a title created by the people its been put on. Its been created by people who usually do things without proof to what they do, or do not do.

With all due respect, different groups can turn to the same scriptures and traditions for their proof and still come to different conclusions. Are you actually claiming that there is absolute unanimity of thought within Islam? Or are you claiming that anyone who disagrees with your view is not Muslim?

Originally Posted by champion

And if its ok, i'de like to hear some of what these muslims you know have to say.

I have already responded to a similar request. Beyond that, it is not my place to argue for them in their absence.

I might add that the only reason why I felt the need to interject into this thread is because there are already significant numbers of non-Muslims who think there is no such thing as a "moderate" Muslim. Praising Wahhabism without there being any voice of dissent simply adds to that impression.

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by MidnightBlue

The British liked Wahhabism because they thought it was something like Protestantism. They tried, no doubt, to use to both the Wahhabis and Abdul Aziz for their own purposes, but it didn't work out very well for them. Abdul Aziz was always a step ahead of them. This being the Wahhabi forum, I'll limit my comments to that.

I don't believe in such a thing called Wahhabism in the first place.

Also, this is the Sunni forum by the way not Wahhabism.

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by shaktinah

With all due respect, different groups can turn to the same scriptures and traditions for their proof and still come to different conclusions.

I agree.

are you claiming that anyone who disagrees with your view is not Muslim?

I don't think the answer would be Yes from champion.

I might add that the only reason why I felt the need to interject into this thread is because there are already significant numbers of non-Muslims who think there is no such thing as a "moderate" Muslim.

I don't believe in the 'moderate muslims' myth either. Islam is based in moderation in the very core of it's dogma and prophet Mohammed warned Muslims from being extereme.

[TashaN]

BTW, i love your new avatar shaktinah.

[AbuQuteiba]

Originally Posted by shaktinah

With all due respect, different groups can turn to the same scriptures and traditions for their proof and still come to different conclusions. Are you actually claiming that there is absolute unanimity of thought within Islam? Or are you claiming that anyone who disagrees with your view is not Muslim?

I have already responded to a similar request. Beyond that, it is not my place to argue for them in their absence.

I might add that the only reason why I felt the need to interject into this thread is because there are already significant numbers of non-Muslims who think there is no such thing as a "moderate" Muslim. Praising Wahhabism without there being any voice of dissent simply adds to that impression.

No i do not claim that there is an absolute unanimity of thought within Islam TODAY (between muslims). And, i am not calling those who disagree with my views a non-muslim. I am saying, that the people who say that there is such a thing as Wahhabism have no proof to this stupid accusation. I think its a term that's been spewed by neo-cons who have know nothing about Islam. Also, anybody who agree's to this nonsense has no proof to back his/her view.

To muslims there is nothing called a "moderate muslim", there is a muslim, and there is a non-muslim. And quite frankly, i have no interest to let non-muslims believe that a "moderate" muslim exists. Nor do i wish for one to. To muslims, there are muslims who abide by God's and his prophets teachings, with the understanding of his companions (and these are considered MODERATE) and there are those who do not by going over boared by explaining Islam the way they want, without solid proof. Those are considered extremists in Islam.

This s a great site that shows you the falsehood of this so called WAHABISSM. http://www.thewahhabimyth.com/

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Originally Posted by champion

No i do not claim that there is an absolute unanimity of thought within Islam TODAY (between muslims). And, i am not calling those who disagree with my views a non-muslim. I am saying, that the people who say that there is such a thing as Wahhabism have no proof to this stupid accusation. I think its a term that's been spewed by neo-cons who have know nothing about Islam. Also, anybody who agree's to this nonsense has no proof to back his/her view.

To muslims there is nothing called a "mod