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[Winterchase]

Friend Winterchase,
Does the following help?


Quote:
'Earliest mention' of Jesus is found on 1st century ossuary

By Marcus Warren in New York
Last Updated: 12:43AM BST 23/10/2002



The words "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus" inscribed on an empty 1st century ossuary have provoked a flurry of excitement in the world of biblical archaeology.
The inscription on a limestone box dated AD 63, only three decades after the crucifixion, has been hailed as the first mention of the historical Jesus Christ, earlier even than the Gospels.
Scholars have confirmed the 20-inch-long box and the writing as genuinely from the period.
The remaining doubt is whether the James, Joseph and Jesus referred to in Aramaic script are members of the Holy Family.
Andre Lemaire, a palaeographer at the Sorbonne, who was shown the inscription by an Israeli collector in Jerusalem, has estimated that only 20 men called James in the city had a brother called Jesus and a father named Joseph at the time.
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This was proven by experts and the court to be a fraud by two antiquities dealers, one in Israel, the other in Egypt. Both have been sent to prison.

Google the "James Ossuary."

[Jayhawker Soule]

Do you have a point?

[Winterchase]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

I don't see how you can be having trouble with this:



Did you actually read any of it?

You would have found Josephus' mentioning of Jesus - not to mention all of the early Christian writings (like the Gospels and beyond).

Flavius Josephus mentions Jesus in Antiquities, Book 18, chapter 3, paragraph 3 but this paragraph is so phenomenal, that scholars question the authenticity of the more "favorable" portions of this text. The so-called "Slavic-Josephus" did a better job of it, only it was proven to be a hoax.

As far as your mention of the early Christian writings, could you give me a source? I'm not here to argue with you, rather I'm searching for answers.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Winterchase

As far as your mention of the early Christian writings, could you give me a source? I'm not here to argue with you, rather I'm searching for answers.

Rubbish.

[Winterchase]

Originally Posted by Jay

Do you have a point?

It was a failed attempt at fraud for the purpose of making a lot of money, and was not(!) a creditable source/document/atrifact because it was a fake (doctored). That's the (obvious) point.

The two men, BTW, involved had scammed the Christian and antiquities communities before, only for less money than they were asking for this. e.g. - they got greedy, and got caught.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Winterchase

It was a failed attempt at fraud for the purpose of making a lot of money, and was not(!) a creditable source/document/atrifact because it was a fake (doctored). That's the (obvious) point.

Your "(obvious) point" is (a) 5 years old, and (b) irrelevant to this thread -- unless, of course, the thread was a disingenuous attempt to open the historicity debate without coming out and saying so.

You've asked for references. You're been given them.

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by Jay

Your "(obvious) point" is (a) 5 years old, and (b) irrelevant to this thread -- unless, of course, the thread was a disingenuous attempt to open the historicity debate without coming out and saying so.

You've asked for references. You're been given them.

Wow, time flies.

[Winterchase]

Originally Posted by kai

there you go , you came to the right place

Thank you, but it hasn't turned out to be, "... the right place," as I had hoped it would be for I have reached that point in my life that while I continue to trust, I now verify.

Again, thank you.

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by Winterchase

Thank you, but it hasn't turned out to be, "... the right place," as I had hoped it would be for I have reached that point in my life that while I continue to trust, I now verify.

Again, thank you.

Once you refine your verification process, you'll at least be in the right ball-park.

[Winterchase]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

Once you refine your verification process, you'll at least be in the right ball-park.

In my business, everything anyone claims has to be confirmed from at least two independent sources, or it's a no-go. So, yes, it is already highly refined. Too many scam artists out there. Too many wack-ohs who get mad, even violent when asked basic, logical questions about what they're demanding you believe. I don't lead, but neither do I blindly follow.

Sorry to rant, angellous_evangellous. It's been a very difficult week. Have a good week-end.