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Old 02-05-2006, 06:55 PM
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I applaud her stance. Agreed Darkdale, it is somewhat simplistic, but she must have been quite aware how some would take her remarks and the possible danger that may put her in.

Bet ya $5.00 that a fatwa is issued against her soon, if not already.
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oh now I see how many of you are anti-Islam and hate Muslims.
For your information, Muslims are sure and proud of their religion and Prophet. You must know that we do love our Prophet more than we love ourselves, parents or whatever that exist. I really pity you, for not being able to recongnize the man who was sent a mercy to the world. He is against violence and we are against violence, and the minority who burned the embassies are not reprensenting the majority of Muslims.
Danmark was targeting Islam and Muslims, there is no doubt in that, for the Prophet is the sign of Islam.
Sorry for not being able to see the truth. However, you will know it sooner (which will be good) or later (that would be the day where no repentance is accepted)
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Danmark was targeting Islam and Muslims, there is no doubt in that, for the Prophet is the sign of Islam.
Denmark - the countrty, the whole country - is targeting Islam. No doubt about it ...

This is the irresponsible, demagogic rubish of a barbaric enemy wallowing in hyperbole. This is hate speech. That it should be regurgitated under the username "Peace" demonstrates how little that word means to its user.
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oh now I see how many of you are anti-Islam and hate Muslims.
For your information, Muslims are sure and proud of their religion and Prophet. You must know that we do love our Prophet more than we love ourselves, parents or whatever that exist. I really pity you, for not being able to recongnize the man who was sent a mercy to the world. He is against violence and we are against violence, and the minority who burned the embassies are not reprensenting the majority of Muslims.
Danmark was targeting Islam and Muslims, there is no doubt in that, for the Prophet is the sign of Islam.
Sorry for not being able to see the truth. However, you will know it sooner (which will be good) or later (that would be the day where no repentance is accepted)
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There may be one or two members here who are anti-Islam, just as there are some who are anti -Christianity. Please don't tar us all with the same brush.

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I really pity you, for not being able to recongnize the man who was sent a mercy to the world. He is against violence and we are against violence, and the minority who burned the embassies are not reprensenting the majority of Muslims


May I suggest, then, that people like yourself make sure that you 'control' your minority, instead of accusing us all of xenophobia or anti - Islamic behaviour ?

Denmark was most certainly not targeting Islam and Muslims; one cartoonist, who has pprobably made cartoons to express his opinion for years drew a cartoon.

I am disappointed that one as moderate as you can take this out of all proportion.
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oh now I see how many of you are anti-Islam and hate Muslims.
For your information, Muslims are sure and proud of their religion and Prophet. You must know that we do love our Prophet more than we love ourselves, parents or whatever that exist. I really pity you, for not being able to recongnize the man who was sent a mercy to the world. He is against violence and we are against violence, and the minority who burned the embassies are not reprensenting the majority of Muslims.
Danmark was targeting Islam and Muslims, there is no doubt in that, for the Prophet is the sign of Islam.
Sorry for not being able to see the truth. However, you will know it sooner (which will be good) or later (that would be the day where no repentance is accepted)
Denmark had nothing to do with the cartoons, Peace. The cartoons were the work of a single individual.
The bomb-shaped turban characterised Islam, rightly or wrongly, as a violent religion. The violence erupting in protest to it only serves to confirm the cartoon's premise. The protesters resorting to violence in protest of Islam's being characterised as violent are the ones all Islam should be condemning as anti-Islam.

Islam does not need to be defended. The truth does not need to be defended. Allah does not need us to defend Islam. Unbelievers do not harm Islam, and Allah takes no more notice of them than I would an ant objecting to the colour of my tie.
If Islam seeks the respect and admiration of the world it must do so by example. It is always easier to fight for your beliefs than to live by them. If you wish Islam to be regarded as a peaceful, tolerant and merciful religion you must respond to all opposition and dissent with peace, tolerance and mercy.
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Now this is my message to the West:



There exists a cultural vagueness in the West. This vagueness results from the presence of two different concepts. The first is a great Western concept that we respect, appraise, and need. That concept is freedom of speech. This is a great humane and civilized concept. On the other hand, there is the great Islamic concept of dignifying Allah’s Messenger (SAWS). The problem arises due to the lack of understanding of the Islamic Civilization and the Western Civilization regarding these two concepts. The non-Muslims cannot value the rank of dignifying the Prophet (SAWS). On the other hand, due to the below-average quality of practical application of freedom of speech, Muslims have a vague understanding of the concept of respecting freedom of speech.



Accordingly, what is required now? We do not want to refuse the concept of freedom of speech, absolutely not. However, the West should alter the freedom of speech so that it does not collide with the very important Islamic value of dignifying the Prophet (SAWS). Here lies the vagueness and ambiguity. The West understands very well the freedom of speech (which we appreciate) but it does not understand Islamic values, such as dignifying the Prophet (SAWS) and other Islamic sanctities. This is where the Western cultural vagueness lies.



I clearly say to the West, you have a problem. You cannot comprehend how much the Muslims love Prophet Muhammad (SAWS). You are still unable to understand this point. If you had really encompassed its significance, you would never have accepted what happened. The West, in general, governments and people, does not apprehend that Allah’s Messenger (SAWS) is dearer to us than our parents, dearer to me than my father and dearer than my mother. I am sure that any Muslim woman listening to me now, be her religious or not, will swear on that fact. Just ask, what does Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) mean to you? It is not even necessary to do that because it is so evident, but you may conduct surveys for yourselves, and you will realize how true what I am saying is. Ask any youth, be he heedless or pious; ask any Muslim anywhere, in Bangladesh, Pakistan, Yemen or in Egypt. Ask any Muslim in any village regardless of how religious he is, be he an obedient Muslim or not, a drug user or not, successful in his life or a failure, old or young, ask them, what does Allah’s Messenger (SAWS) mean to you?



O West, I affirm that Allah’s Messenger (SAWS) is dearer to all Muslims than their own parents. O West, Allah’s Messenger (SAWS) is dearer to us, Muslims, than our children and grandchildren. O West, Allah’s Messenger (SAWS) is dearer to us than our money, dearer to us than our own selves. He is dearer to us than our own countries. O Egyptian, who is dearer to you, Egypt or Allah’s Prophet? O Saudi, who is dearer to you, Saudi Arabia or Allah’s Prophet? O Yemeni, O Moroccan, O Algerian, who is dearer to you, your country or Allah’s Messenger (SAWS)? O West, comprehend that meaning, Allah’s Messenger (SAWS) is dearer to Muslims than their children and their own selves.



We can never forget the hadith that I repeatedly mentioned during the episodes of “On the Path of the Beloved”. O West, listen to this hadith[11] as it forms part of the sentimental make-up of the Islamic personality:



“We were with the Prophet and he was holding the hand of Omar Ibnul-Khattab. Omar said to him, ‘O Allah's Messenger! You are dearer to me than everything except my own self.’ The Prophet said, ‘No, by Him in Whose Hand my soul is, (you will not have complete faith) till I am dearer to you than your own self.’ Then Omar said to him, ‘However, now, by Allah, you are dearer to me than my own self.’ The Prophet said, ‘Now, O Omar, (now you are a believer).’”[12]



Being a true believer is conditioned with loving Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) more than our own selves.



O West, this is our notion and this is our love for Prophet Muhammad (SAWS).



I know that the West resists racism as they realize very well what it means. I also know that they stand up against any anti-Semitic assaults as they recognize the serious consequences of such acts. Yet, true contradiction lies in respecting Semitism and resisting racialism on the one hand, while humiliating the most valued figure for Muslims, the Prophet (SAWS), on the other.



Six months ago, a famous journalist of the BBC attacked Arabs describing them as a worthless nation. In spite of being a renowned figure with a daily program in Britain, his slandering was rejected by the British as racist and he was fired from the BBC. At that time, I was preparing a program on family matters, and knowing that he had articles and shows tackling this subject, I wanted to refer to them. To my surprise, none of his works were available due to his intolerant views against Arabs. There is no way to compare the Prophet (SAWS) to the Arabic nation, as slandering them is of a diminutive nature when compared to offending the Prophet (SAWS). My message to the West then is that freedom of speech, which we indeed respect, honor, and actually need, should be modified so that it does not clash with the highly revered Muslim value of dignifying the Prophet (SAWS). The West respects monarchies, Semitism, all races, and different ethnicities, and its respect to the Prophet (SAWS) and to sacred Muslim values should be no less.

My message to the West is that the value of freedom of speech should be adapted to Muslim values.

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Old 02-07-2006, 02:20 AM
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..... uhhhhh I think someone hired Dubya's puppet Masters, what a wonderful performance and I love her choice of words.

"We have to show our opposition to Islam and we have to, at times, run the risk of having unflattering labels placed on us because there are some things for which we should display no tolerance."

Although at least she's quoted at the end of the article as saying :
"We should not be content with living next to each other. We should rather live together."

The problem is, that's at the end, and I don't think your average Muslim will get much further than "show our opposition to Islam" before a facial tic starts...


*Starts building a bunker* Anyone got any spare steel beams or lead?
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