A majority of Muslims in England are against free speech, according to a poll

[waitasec]

Originally Posted by Mohamed

whick reaction you mean?

this one

78% of UK Muslims oppose free speech - YouTube[/quote]

anyway i agree that we should have just neglected him

and that right there would have said something about the muslim faith in a positive light.

but you know where is the prolem?
muslims feels that western government and alot of western people support such actions!!

it is, after all, everyones right to feel and express themselves so long as it is not infringing on anyones inalienable rights

that's why they don't find it only a person's behaviour

we cannot control what people feel and do so long as it is not infringing on anyones inalienable rights

expressing an opinion that happens to be taken as an insult is ultimately saying the expression became an insult in the eyes of the beholder.

[Mohamed]

Originally Posted by Revoltingest

Then they should study the West to understand what free speech is all about.
Things are said. That does not mean the state supports all such things.

but some other actions helps that way
like banning hijab (scurf) in schools and banning niqab in France,and banning towers of mosques in switzerland,etc...
that pushes them towards negative thoughts

[Revoltingest]

Originally Posted by Mohamed

but some other actions helps that way
like banning hijab (scurf) in schools and banning niqab in France,and banning towers of mosques in switzerland,etc...
that pushes them towards negative thoughts

They are responsible for their own thoughts & actions.
Moreover, the West is not a single entity...different countries have different laws & values.
This is just as recognizing that not all Muslims are terrorists. One should understand differences.

[Mohamed]

yes,we know that and there are countries that we really love in Europe
we just blame countries wich do such things

[waitasec]

Originally Posted by Mohamed

we just blame countries wich do such things

then why move there and subject yourself to a way of life you do not adhere to?
what is your definition of culture?

[Mohamed]

can't we live in the same place with different cultures??
how come a country claims it's liberal while doing such things?
just tell me that you are a conservative nation and surely i will accept you like that
but don't show yourself as liberal while you are not

[waitasec]

Originally Posted by Mohamed

can't we live in the same place with different cultures??

why do you suppose there are different cultures?

how come a country claims it's liberal while doing such things?

what things? feeling free to speak our minds?

just tell me that you are a conservative nation and surely i will accept you like that
but don't show yourself as liberal while you are not

well if we persecuted people for speaking their minds i'd say that is being very conservative, not just that but walking in the opposite direction of progress.
do you agree with the ideals of human rights? or do you think it is the right of one person to have dominion over another?
speaking my mind is not having dominion over any one unless that person gives power to what i say due to insecurity
why would anyone want to give their power away?

[Mohamed]

Originally Posted by waitasec

why do you suppose there are different cultures?


what things? feeling free to speak our minds?

well if we persecuted people for speaking their minds i'd say that is being very conservative, not just that but walking in the opposite direction of progress.
do you agree with the ideals of human rights? or do you think it is the right of one person to have dominion over another?
speaking my mind is not having dominion over any one unless that person gives power to what i say due to insecurity
why would anyone want to give their power away?

i never said that they should have banned him from doing that!!!
you keep saying that while i didn't say it
i was talking about things against muslims
just see post 62
that's what i'm talking about

[waitasec]

Originally Posted by Mohamed

i never said that they should have banned him from doing that!!!
you keep saying that while i didn't say it
i was talking about things against muslims
just see post 62
that's what i'm talking about

that has to do with culture.
i don't want to get into that with you on this thread...
trust me i've been on that merry go round before...

islam seems to be a nationalistic religion imposing it's eastern culture onto a western one.
we have laws. and yes laws are meant to be challenged. if the islamic community is feeling they are being treated unfairly, then it is up to the islamic community to establish an argument that adheres to the constitution of the land. equality is of the essence from what i gather the banning of the niqab in france came from several situations where the woman could not be identified and was asked to remove the head covering when she drove her car....i don't understand why arabs are to be above the law of the land when everyone has to adhere to the same law. please correct me if i'm wrong. i am not privy to the scarf situation, if you can provide a source i would love to read it.

[Mohamed]

Originally Posted by waitasec

that has to do with culture.
i don't want to get into that with you on this thread...
trust me i've been on that merry go round before...

islam seems to be a nationalistic religion imposing it's eastern culture onto a western one.
we have laws. and yes laws are meant to be challenged. if the islamic community is feeling they are being treated unfairly, then it is up to the islamic community to establish an argument that adheres to the constitution of the land. equality is of the essence from what i gather the banning of the niqab in france came from several situations where the woman could not be identified and was asked to remove the head covering when she drove her car....i don't understand why arabs are to be above the law of the land when everyone has to adhere to the same law. please correct me if i'm wrong. i am not privy to the scarf situation, if you can provide a source i would love to read it.

it's since 2003
BBC NEWS | Europe | German state backs headscarf ban

Germany to ban teachers' scarves - Archive - Al Jazeera English

Nuns defend habits in row over Islam scarf ban - Telegraph

German Ban on Headscarves Violates Rights, Says Watchdog | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 26.02.2009

and switzerland banned building mosques towers!!!

Originally Posted by waitasec

we have laws. and yes laws are meant to be challenged. if the islamic community is feeling they are being treated unfairly, then it is up to the islamic community to establish an argument that adheres to the constitution of the land. equality is of the essence from what i gather the banning of the niqab in france came from several situations where the woman could not be identified and was asked to remove the head covering when she drove her car....i don't understand why arabs are to be above the law of the land when everyone has to adhere to the same law. please correct me if i'm wrong

that's what western muslims do
we are talking about the action not the reaction