Pre-marital Sex. Whats wrong with it? (Jesus, moral, virgin, homosexuality)

[Altotheix]

Not a Ting.

[Lintu]

Women used to be sold by their fathers. Not a virgin? Low, low prices. Hence, the religious laws against pre-marital sex. Note that the burden of proof was always on women, and it's still women who are more expected to be "pure."

[Altotheix]

Interesting Lintu. But is that the major reason for the Church's stance against PM sex?

[standing_on_one_foot]

Yeah, that's pretty much it...if you're a bit less cynical, you can also add that it's also the idea that sex should be between people in a commited relationship, but I rather think that came later.

[linwood]

Women used to be sold by their fathers. Not a virgin? Low, low prices. Hence, the religious laws against pre-marital sex.

This is entirely irelevant in this day and our society as is much of the Bible.
Why should a modern person conduct themselves according to rules that don`t pertain to them?

Note that the burden of proof was always on women, and it's still women who are more expected to be "pure."

This is nothing more than the result of religious dogma interwoven into western culture by again..the Bible and it`s interpretation.
It is also irelevant to any modern human in our society.

[Altotheix]

Thanks for the comments.

[Lintu]

A lot of things are irrelevant to today yet still hang on...arguments against contraception, for one, at least in my opinion.

I would argue that the reason the Bible preaches female chastity in particular is because the culture that created the Bible treated women in the way I described before. It became religious dogma, separate from its original reasoning.

[groovydancer88]

Why no premarital sex? Well, one reason is that it's much more likely that it's a relationship based on lust if they couple is having premarital sex (although this is not always true). Lust is a pretty big no-no.

As for the animals - they are not moral creatures, so they shouldn't be held to the same standards as humans in this department.

[Ceridwen018]

groovydancer88,

I think that people try to sell the idea that, "sex without marriage is sex without love" in order to keep their ideals running strong. It is true that some people out there are having sex for purely lustful reasons, but I do not think that this is the majority at all.

Sex can be very unhealthy if treated and handled incorrectly, (aka, lust over love), but it can be incredibly healthy if it is for the right reasons. Remember though, kids, always use protection!

[angellous_evangellous]

I can offer a Christian point of view (not the Christian point of view). We understand that the heterosexual marriage relationship is the proper framework for all sexual encounters, so pre-marital sex is not within the proper framework. The rationale for this is the theological nature of the sexual realtionship to marriage in Gen. 2.24, which Jesus used against divorse. The sexual relationship is intended to signify the unity between a man and a woman's unity for life, just as the Church is unified to Christ for eternity. A violation of this unity, before or after marriage, does not honor this unity. Sexual faithfulness within the framework of marriage provides stability for the marriage (not the only stability).

We can appeal to reason for why sex should be between one man and one woman for life within the context of marriage, but ultimately the reasoning needs to be revealed by God to us. That is, while we can point to how abstinance can keep the marriage pure from STDs, children born to teenagers, and homosexuality as a perversion of the original plan (i.e., abuse of the male digestive tract, etc), the nature of it as sin has to be revealed by God. If you are a Christian and want biblical texts, I will be happy to provide them.

EDIT: If you want proofs, please PM me. I may not check back. Thanks