Do Mohammed and the Pope provide moral guidance on sex?

[no-body]

Originally Posted by 301ouncer

He is not a man long gone. He is very much living around us with his pure and loving teachings.

This discusting sexual abuse was happening for years and years. Lately was covered up by the masters to top it all.

It is not the fault of the creator if men showing off outwardly as holy and perfect from their own choosing, decide to force their will unto venruable kids.

You just said you celebrate the child abuse and the damage it has done to the Church as the will of Allah. That is some sick S right there, I don't care what your religion is.

It was only with the will of the majistic creator exposed the rotten foundations as a gift to us muslims for the unwarranted cartoons. And constant attacks against our woman, messengers, holy book, etc. Thank you very much.

As I said earlier Homosexuality will lead to WMD destructive sex and this is just its ugly face.

Kids got abused and sexually forced to undertake these actions? well sorry this is called collatroal damage of WMD sex. Just as a blind eye is turned when muslims childeren get boldozed under their own homes.

I feel sorry for these kids or adults I pray they become muslims.

Truth hurts but has to be said.

This is my opinion.

Holy moly. To misquote Ghandi... I like your Muhammad but I dislike your Muslims, they are so unlike your Muhammad. As soon as I read one statement from a Muslim I realize Islam is not and never will be for me. You are so like fundamentalist Christians it's not even funny. The type of people that are ruining the world today.

[gnostic]

Originally Posted by sonofskeptish

Do Mohammed and the Pope provide moral guidance on sex?

No, because religious leaders have the tendency to be both hypocrites and megalomaniacs...for obvious reasons.

It would seem to me that the Abrahamic god is basically a rapist and child molester. The religious leaders are reflection of so-called one-god deity.

[Fatihah]

Originally Posted by sonofskeptish

Do religious figures like Mohammed and the Pope provide moral guidance on the topic of sex that their followers claim?

Like many of you, I recently learned through RF debates that the prophet Mohammed consummated his marriage to his child bride Aisha, by the time she was only 9-years-old.

And if you’ve been watching the news, you’ll know that the Pope himself was/is involved in covering-up the child sex abuse done by his priests.

Pope 'led cover-up of child abuse by priests'| News | This is London

While some Muslims and Catholics have expressed their disgust with these actions, others aggressively defend their religious leaders... often while at the same time condemning sexual relations by two loving, consenting adults of the same sex.

Does anyone else wonder what on earth is going on here, and what the impact is of looking to religious leaders like Mohammed and the Pope for moral guidance on the subject of sex?

Response: I don't know much about the Pope, but as far as Prophet Muhammad (saw) is concerned, the prophet is very moral.

On the issue with Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her), and her marriage with the Prophet, there is nothing immoral about it. The prophet did not desire Aisha, but was fulfilling a dream or vision sent to him by Allah(swt). Marriage in islam is not based on sex, but is a sacred bond, from a man's perspective, to protect and care for women.

It is clear that despite her young age, Aisha was an exceptional individual, who would grow to become a great leader and play a great role in bringing unity amongst the muslims. As such, Allah(saw) preferred Aisha to be with Muhammad to fulfill that prophecy. Nothing else.

As for the consummation of his marriage to Aisha at 9, again there is nothing immoral. While consummate means sex in marriage, it also means to complete, or perfect. Thus when the prophet consummated his marriage, it does not mean to have sex, but rather that the stipulations and favors written in the marriage contract at age 6 were completed at age 9. The other hadiths relating the same story clearly demonstrate so. Other hadiths will say that he wrote the contract when she was 6, but she was taken to his house as a bride at 9. Not sex. Naturally, a person who marries has a wedding ceremony, and the couple lives together. This did not happen with Aisha until she turned 9, thus when it happened, her marriage was finally consummated, meaning that it was finally completed, when the marriage ceremony and them living together finally took place.

Thus Muhammad's actions were not immoral, but were very moral, as he was fulfilling a vision sent to him by Allah (swt), which is to love and protect Aisha through marriage, because she would grow to become one of the leaders of the muslim community, not for any sexual reasons.

[gnostic]

Not about sex?

It is a woman's duty to have sex with her husband and obey them, sounds like sex subservient (sex slave). If a wife disobey beat them, until she agree to have sex.

The moral of Islam is to have women cover up to avoid rape, and if she get rape anyway, blame the women for not wearing enough. It just show how little restraints Muslim men have.

Then what's this sick dream that martyrs get 72 virgins as reward in Paradise?

Delusion of sex perverts, if you ask me.

[Skeptisch]

Originally Posted by gnostic

Not about sex?

Regarding sex with prepubescent children, Abu-Ala’ Maududi states:
"Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl at this age but it is permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Qur’an has held as permissible." (Maududi, volume 5, p. 620, note 13, emphasis added)

It is clear: Muslim men can engage in sex with prepubescent children!
Muhammad, Aisha, Islam, and Child Brides

[Fatihah]

Originally Posted by gnostic

Not about sex?

It is a woman's duty to have sex with her husband and obey them, sounds like sex subservient (sex slave). If a wife disobey beat them, until she agree to have sex.

The moral of Islam is to have women cover up to avoid rape, and if she get rape anyway, blame the women for not wearing enough. It just show how little restraints Muslim men have.

Then what's this sick dream that martyrs get 72 virgins as reward in Paradise?

Delusion of sex perverts, if you ask me.

Response: None of which can be supported by the qur'an or sunnah. Delusion of a non-muslim, if you ask me.

[Skeptisch]

Originally Posted by Fatihah

Response: None of which can be supported by the qur'an or sunnah. Delusion of a non-muslim, if you ask me.

5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.
The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:
And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).

[sonofskeptish]

Originally Posted by Fatihah

Response: None of which can be supported by the qur'an or sunnah. Delusion of a non-muslim, if you ask me.

Thinking sex with a child is not immoral and pedophilia under any circumstance is what is delusional.

[301ouncer]

Originally Posted by Fatihah

Response: None of which can be supported by the qur'an or sunnah. Delusion of a non-muslim, if you ask me.

seriously muslims, Why you sitting with people when you know very well their intentions?

Linking the catholic prists to Muhammed saw is not a clear sign to you muslims?

If you keep sitting with them in this topic then you are one of them as mentioned in the Quran.

Please do not sit.

[sonofskeptish]

Originally Posted by 301ouncer

If you keep sitting with them in this topic then you are one of them as mentioned in the Quran. Please do not sit.

Are you threatening other muslims now?