Commentary on Christian: Homosexuality and Gay Marriage (Creator, the passion, tradition)

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by Joannicius

This is quite a hot issue in today's world.

The scriptures and The Church have not wavered on the damage that one is causing themselves, society and other individuals when they live this lifestyle.

The Church can not condone it, nor will it ever condone it, or adultery, or any of the passions of the body, mind, soul or spirit because the prevent us from having the relationship with our Creator that He so desires for us to have with Him.

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John Boswell has fully documented, from original manuscripts, the Church's favorable treatment for both the Orthodox and Roman Catholic Church for homosexual marriage which was fully equivalent to heterosexual marriage to the point of establishing litergy. It continued past the 13th Century. Your understand of the historical stance of the church is flat wrong.

Originally Posted by chris9178

The reason I believe it's a sin is because the Bible labels it as so. For an atheist, or Buddhist that wouldn't matter, but for me, a Christian, it does....

I appreciate that you may consider it a sin but it is wrong for you not recognize that many Christians do not find the same interpretation in the Bible and, in fact, see overriding authority to what you see.

Originally Posted by true blood

God has given us His own Will on how we should live but he has also given us the ability to make our own decision. If we want the fullness of his guidance and care then we will set aside our own will and live by his. It's not always easy.

God's will is only validated in revelation and that is entirely personal.

Originally Posted by true blood

I don't believe a man or woman is born gay. It is their choice. People are born on a level of masculine and feminin and there are many degrees that make people the way they are. People are suppose to join with the opposite of sex to make life so that it continues on. ...

Gayness is manifested at puberety. People are only born male or female. Masculinity and femininity are are a product of gender identity and developemental history. Continuence of people is as you say and they continue to produce homosexuals. Procreation is not a requirement for marriage and non-procreation should not be a hinderance for either heterosexual or homosexual marriage.

Originally Posted by chris9178

Quote: The biggest difference you and I have on this issue is that I strongly believe that God made gay people the way they are.

Why? Do you base it on your own belief, or scientific study, or feelings?
I'd like to understand your point of view.Why? Do you base it on your own belief, or scientific study, or feelings?
I'd like to understand your point of view.

There is overwhelming scientific evidence

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

As Chrsitians we struggle together to submit to God's requirements and His character. He has revealed his words to us, and we should struggle to understand. It could be possible that you are misunderstanding the nature of homosexuality.

And it is likely you have missed God's more important words and misinterpreted those you use.

Commentary from other posters is welcome and I will continue to address more thoughts regarding the thread closed to us..

[Doc]

Great post, Pah.

I am a christian also and yet I have protested the bans and the prejudice. Instead of worrying over who marries who, why don't theocrats strive for better rights of the poor, visiting the sick and dying, help at shelters, protest the death penalty. Even if they manage to create these bans, do you really think it will change how people are. What actual positive thing can result from supressing a group of people?

[Feathers in Hair]

Pah, I just wanted to thank you for creating this thread. I completely understand the reasoning behind limiting the other to Christians only, but I sometimes feel I'd like to offer my viewpoints, as well.

And Doc, "What actual positive thing can result from supressing a group of people?" is the most intelligent, most wonderful question I've heard all day. Thank you for blessing my day with it.

[Lightkeeper]

What is the damage being done by the homosexual? Do they ever list that or just make the statement?

[Quoth The Raven]

Originally Posted by Lightkeeper

What is the damage being done by the homosexual? Do they ever list that or just make the statement?

Originally Posted by atofel

Heh, I forgot where I was going with this. The reason why sexual liberation is bad is because it deteriates the family unit. Symptoms include more single parents and a higher divorce rate. Overall, this is bad for society.

The basis of this statement is that homosexuality is a form of sexual liberation, and sexual liberation is a bad thing.

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Quote: Originally Posted by atofel
Heh, I forgot where I was going with this. The reason why sexual liberation is bad is because it deteriates the family unit. Symptoms include more single parents and a higher divorce rate. Overall, this is bad for society.

I wonder if you could quantify the effects homosexual "liberation" would have on single parent families and a divorce rate

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by Lightkeeper

What is the damage being done by the homosexual? Do they ever list that or just make the statement?

I've never yet seen an attempt to spell out precisely how homosexuality can damage traditional marriages or society. So far as I know, no one has ever substantiated the notion that homosexuality does indeed damage traditional marriages or society. Just how it's done has got to be the best kept secret of the religious right.

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by true blood

Man is suppose to love another man like a brother, not a wife.

Greek societies recognized "brother" as homosexual. The Christian Church recognized the marriage ceremony of "brothers" for homosexuals

Readers of this thread should reference the main debate, Christian: Homosexuality and Gay Marriage for comments to ongoing posting in that thread

[linwood]

There is overwhelming scientific evidence


Thats a pretty big overstatement.

It also irks me that many feel as if their choice or natural preference of sexual partner needs to be justified by some inherent leaning.

It doesn`t make a damn bit of difference if homosexuals do in some way choose the lifestyle.

It`s their right.