Should Religious leaders be involved in any form of public school employment

[The Voice of Reason]

"Should Religious leaders be involved in any form of public school employment?"


Absolutely. There are toilets in every public school that they could focus their attention on.

... and not a moment too soon!

[Draka]

Originally Posted by AxisMundi

Please show examples of Atheists being ordained.

We have some on this very forum. would you like to start a thread and ask? Or do you want me to?

Also please keep in mind that one does not need to be ordained to be a Marriage Officiant. Seperate licensing. Nor is one required to be clergy to be a Marriage Officiant.

Laws vary state to state. One can be an Officiant if they are a JP and not be clergy, but in some places if you are not a JP or clergy you cannot officiate a wedding. Since the main reason I got ordained was to be able to do weddings this was something I looked up. I found that since laws vary state to state, YET they all accept ordained clergy as officiants, then the best way to make sure I could officiate no matter where I was was to get ordained.

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by AxisMundi

Please show examples of Atheists being ordained.

Me: I'm a Discordian Pope, just like you. So is everyone else.

Or, if you prefer, many atheists have been ordained through the Universal Life Church. You can probably find quite a few atheists heading up UU congregations as well.

[Draka]

See, here's the thing. You can't really discriminate soley on the basis of "religious leader" because one would have to have some kind of proof of that. Someone who may be a "religious leader" to some may not be to others. Some households consider the father to be the automatic "religious leader" of the family. Or how about an unordained High Priestess of a coven? How do you determine who is and is not a "religious leader" unless you use a legal criteria of ordainment? And if you use ordainment, then are discriminating against such a wide variety of people. People that may have nothing else in common except for that peice of paper. Christians, Wiccans, Druids, Native American Shamans, Pantheists, Panentheists, and yes, even atheists can all be ordained. They can all have different reasons for seeking ordainment as well. So how can one possibly try to lump them all together and make them all fit into a tiny box and THEN try to deny them something based on your definition of what that box means? You can't. It simply doesn't hold up.

[AxisMundi]

Originally Posted by Draka

We have some on this very forum. would you like to start a thread and ask? Or do you want me to?

You made the assetion, please provide evidence.

[Draka]

Originally Posted by AxisMundi

You made the assetion, please provide evidence.

If said evidence is presented, and you see atheists get ordained too, will you admit you are painting with too broad a brush? will you admit that people who get ordained vary so greatly that you cannot lump them under all the same description and hold them to the same ideals? Will you admit you are wrong?

[AxisMundi]

Originally Posted by Draka

If said evidence is presented, and you see atheists get ordained too, will you admit you are painting with too broad a brush? will you admit that people who get ordained vary so greatly that you cannot lump them under all the same description and hold them to the same ideals? Will you admit you are wrong?

You are mistaken, young lady.

I am addressing a class of professionals, not individuals.

Added:

And faced with concrete evidence, I am certainly enough of a gentleman to stand corrected.

[Draka]

Originally Posted by AxisMundi

You are mistaken, young lady.

I am addressing a class of professionals, not individuals.

Added:

And faced with concrete evidence, I am certainly enough of a gentleman to stand corrected.

But what you seem to fail to acknowledge is that just because a person is ordained doesn't mean they are a "professional". It doesn't mean that being clergy is a job for them. It doesn't mean they have a congregation. It doesn't even mean they "preach" anything to anyone. In fact, probably the only main thing all members of clergy have in common is they are legally able to perform marriage ceremonies. Performing a marriage ceremony doesn't require someone be excessively religous either. AND there are plenty of people who are not ordained that are far more "religious" and proselytize than a lot of clergy.

If it is proven to you that atheists get ordained, more than stand corrected on whether or not they get ordained, would you admit that you are falsely stereotyping ordained clergy? That trying to fit us all in one box with a specific label and definition is a prime example of faulty reasoning? AND that prohibiting us all from a career which you personally feel a few are untrustworthy to perform is out and out discrimination based on a faulty stereotype?

[Marathon runner]

Allowing religious leaders to be employed in public schools is bias and stereotyping and prejudice and just plain old wrong wrong wrong .

[Draka]

Originally Posted by Marathon runner

Allowing religious leaders to be employed in public schools is bias and stereotyping and prejudice and just plain old wrong wrong wrong .

I think you forgot part of a word. It should be: "DISallowing".

The correct statement would be:

"Disallowing religious leaders to be employed in public schools is bias and stereotyping and prejudice and just plain old wrong wrong wrong"

There we go. All edited for correctness and truth. You're welcome.