Life....Does not exist.

[Runewolf1973]

Life is just change and transformation.

If everything that exists is simply energy and matter in different forms, including our own bodies, brains, and all the actions and reactions therein, then what is this so-called "life"? Is life an actual existing "thing", or is it just another reaction of sorts? If an animal or plant grows and changes form and uses energy to sustain itself, isn't that which we call it's life just another way in which that energy simply changes form? It is actually just change and transformation, it is not life. All energy and matter is vibrational and animate. It changes form and has an action and a reaction. We are no different. I propose a theory that we and other things that we humans like to call life-forms are not actually "alive". We are animate and vibrational and we change form, but to say we possess this thing called "life" is like saying we possess some mysterious separate thing that all other matter and energy does not have. To me that just seems like superstitious nonsense. Life does not exist, only energy and matter, change and transformation. The interesting thing though, is that if life does not actually exist, neither does that which we call "death". Any thoughts you'd like to share on this matter?

[enchanted_one1975]

Originally Posted by Runewolf1973

Any thoughts you'd like to share on this matter?

The fact that we are capable of thought is what sets us apart from the other forms of energy. We are life in its most mischievous form.

[Runewolf1973]

So what is awareness or consciousness then? To me it is just another way in which energy has action and reaction.

[Runewolf1973]

Originally Posted by enchanted_one1975

The fact that we are capable of thought is what sets us apart from the other forms of energy. We are life in its most mischievous form.

What causes this thought? The chemical reactions in the brain. Those chemical reactions may be different, but they are not separate or apart from energy and matter. Thought itself is just another reaction.

[gnomon]

Originally Posted by Runewolf1973

Life is just change and transformation.

If everything that exists is simply energy and matter in different forms, including our own bodies, brains, and all the actions and reactions therein, then what is this so-called "life"? Is life an actual existing "thing", or is it just another reaction of sorts? If an animal or plant grows and changes form and uses energy to sustain itself, isn't that which we call it's life just another way in which that energy simply changes form? It is actually just change and transformation, it is not life. All energy and matter is vibrational and animate. It changes form and has an action and a reaction. We are no different. I propose a theory that we and other things that we humans like to call life-forms are not actually "alive". We are animate and vibrational and we change form, but to say we possess this thing called "life" is like saying we possess some mysterious separate thing that all other matter and energy does not have. To me that just seems like superstitious nonsense. Life does not exist, only energy and matter, change and transformation. The interesting thing though, is that if life does not actually exist, neither does that which we call "death". Any thoughts you'd like to share on this matter?

I think you need to redefine your definition of life.

Frankly, from what you posted pain, love, sex, cancer, squirrels, humor, hangnails and albatrosses, for example, do not exist. Food, healthcare, hygiene, etc. Don't exist.

Let's hope pragmatism still exists.

[Runewolf1973]

Originally Posted by gnomon

I think you need to redefine your definition of life.

Frankly, from what you posted pain, love, sex, cancer, squirrels, humor, hangnails and albatrosses, for example, do not exist. Food, healthcare, hygiene, etc. Don't exist.

Let's hope pragmatism still exists.

How did you get that? All those things exist, but those things are not some separate entity (life), they are merely different energy forms or different expressions of energy. All those things you listed are just different ways in which energy and matter takes form or changes. Pain is a reaction is it not? Love and sex are actions are they not? Cancer is a reaction. The rest are no different. It is all the same...action and reaction, matter and energy. No separate mystical things or entities like god or life. All I am saying is that what we use as the term life is just a word we use to classify certain things, it is not a separate entity on it's own. There are no separate entities, only matter and energy and it's various and actions and reactions.

[gnomon]

Originally Posted by Runewolf1973

How did you get that? All those things exist, but those things are not some separate entity (life), they are merely different energy forms. All those things you listed are just different ways in which energy and matter takes form or changes. Pain is a reaction is it not? Love and sex are actions are they not? Cancer is a reaction. The rest are no different. It is all the same...action and reaction. Matter and energy. No separate mystical things or entities like god or life.

That's what life is. Everything I listed lies within that defined set of life. If life does not exist than anything we define in that set does not exist. Or else we have to redefine them into other sets. Which would basically be just removing the term life and replacing it with a new term that would denote the exact same meaning as the prior term.

I guess a clear definition of "I" and "life" would be necessary.

[Runewolf1973]

Originally Posted by gnomon

That's what life is. Everything I listed lies within that defined set of life. If life does not exist than anything we define in that set does not exist. Or else we have to redefine them into other sets. Which would basically be just removing the term life and replacing it with a new term that would denote the exact same meaning as the prior term.

I guess a clear definition of "I" and "life" would be necessary.

So life is just a term we use to define certain actions and reactions that energy and matter possess. It is nothing separate from energy or matter.

[Morse]

I think i see what he means here, and I agree. He is basically saying we are not special, we do not have some mystical or unique force that allows us to have consciousness or sentience of some sort. In fact, he is proposing that no organism possesses this.

What Riverwolf is saying is that what we call life is just a series of chemical reactions between matter that causes said effects of Sentience and Consciousness. From this perspective, we are no different from other matter. Other matter has chemical reactions in similar manners than we do. The only difference between us and that chair you are sitting on is the complexity and number of chemical reactions.

If we are no different than that chair you are sitting on, can we really be defined as "alive"? Or if we are certainly alive, then the chair must be alive as well.

[enchanted_one1975]

Originally Posted by Runewolf1973

So life is just a term we use to define certain actions and reactions that energy and matter possess. It is nothing separate from energy or matter.

Most forms of energy will not be going to The Underworld some day. No matter will. I will be.