Religion in school (choice, America, church, atheist, religions)

[Runt]

Frog, a nation founded by Christians and a Christian nation are two very different things. We have no established national religion, and therefore can be nothing more than UNOFFICIALLY a Christian nation. And that is ASSUMING that pretty much everyone in this nation is Christian. However, not only are there LOTS of other religions in this nation, but even among Christians there is too much dispute about even the most basic Christian beliefs (is God One or is God Three--Trinity, for example?) We can't teach Christian religion in schools because too many people (students, parents, and teachers) reject that religion and its teachings... and for a good reason.

[Redeemed of God]

I think the reaosn why people took God out of the schools is because they dont want the truth...they want anything but the truth. Evolution has many flaws but they keep it in there because it has nothing to do with God. Our nation was founded on Christian people.
"Many of our local government politicians put greed above rights given us by our forefathers who's blood shed for our freedom to access the rights to see in our daily walk the respect of God throughout this land. We have seen our courts allow changes to our culture they should not have the right to decide upon."
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[painted wolf]

Originally Posted by Redeemed of God

We have seen our courts allow changes to our culture they should not have the right to decide upon."

Whose culture... not my culture... my culture is just as american as anyone elces... perhaps more
Who are you to tell me what to worship.

This nation was also founded uppon the Iriquois great laws... the founders didn't get thier ideas all by themselves...

I don't want my children being taught Christianity in the schools.. that is for church... and if they want to learn about Christianity then they can go to a christian church

I guess freedom isn't as popular in America as it used to be....

wa:-do

[Mr Spinkles]

Originally Posted by painted wolf

I guess freedom isn't as popular in America as it used to be....

I'm beginning to come to that horrifying conclusion myself, painted wolf. Although I don't think the majority of Americans want Christianity taught in public schools, I think most people are against that (save private schools or elective courses).

[F_R_O_G]

Seattle times, opinion page, ~Dec 28 2003

"Is it possible that our cultural loss of civility is due to our unrestrained pursuit of freedom without boundaries? Have we made a fetish out of freedom to the point that it is viewed as the cure to all our unhappiness?

It seems to me that the most tragic 'freedom' fostered by our post modern culture is the yearning to be free from the restraints that faith in God provided for previous generations.

Dostoyevsky said it long ago in 'The Brothers Karamazov’: 'When transcendence disappears, everything is permissible' John Adams observed, 'Our political freedoms can not survive without faith'

Tyranny can prosper without faith in God, but freedom requires an inner restraint of the human spirit that faith in God has provided in the past, I know that faith is not something we can simply add to our personal perspective, let alone impose on anyone else - especially those with whom we disagree and who are acting uncivil!

But I believe it would help us all if we could see the huge loss of civility in ugly, partisan politics and in crude social vocabularies as not just 'freedom of speech,' but more as evidence that we have drifted too far from one anchor to civility that can tame the human spirit"

why don't they teach creation? does that not have sientific evidence?

[Green Gaia]

Originally Posted by F_R_O_G

why don't they teach creation? does that not have sientific evidence?

No, it doesn't.

And what creation should they teach? There are many more creation stories than there are religions. The Native Americans were here on this land first, so we should teach their creation stories, right? And then we should teach our children about how our Christian founding fathers murdered the Native Americans just for the land. At least that part we can prove and no one can refute.

[Mr Spinkles]

Come on FROG, get real. Tyranny has prospered in PLENTY of countries that have LOTS of faith in God, namely: Iran, colonial America, Afghanistan, and practically ALL of medieval Europe.

Society is not more morally degrading today than it was "back in the good ol' days". We no longer see the lynchings, racism including denying blacks their right to vote, mafia shootouts with the police, school fights, etc that we saw in past decades. Uncivil groups like the KKK and the Black Panthers are no longer a major force in society or politics. We don't have bandits running amok in the Wild West anymore killing and raiding trains. Take another look at your history book, and I think you'll appreciate today's America a lot more.

The major change that's taken place is that religion has been seperated more and more from government, which is a good thing--it has NOT, however, been forced out of society BY the government--this is a myth. What religious values to follow and how to follow them should be decided by society, not the government.

For example: You want people to learn about the Bible? Great--go start a program to give Bibles out for free. But don't get the government involved, unless you expect them to give out Torah's, Kabbalah's, and Q'ran's out for free as well.

[F_R_O_G]

I don't get you guys... where are you getting this from.

Maize, are you sure you want to say there is NO scientific evidence for creation?

Mr_spinkles though I disagree with you aren't we talking about religion in schools? There is nothing wrong with a state government funding the production of bibles and only bibles; I don't know where you get the idea that they can't do that.

[Redeemed of God]

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[Mr Spinkles]

Originally Posted by F_R_O_G

I don't get you guys... where are you getting this from.

Maize, are you sure you want to say there is NO scientific evidence for creation?

Mr_spinkles though I disagree with you aren't we talking about religion in schools? There is nothing wrong with a state government funding the production of bibles and only bibles; I don't know where you get the idea that they can't do that.

What if the state government funded the production of Muslim Qu'rans, and only Qu'rans? Wouldn't you be a little peeved that your tax dollars were being used for such a program, when you're not even Muslim?

And I don't know why you haven't learned in school why the government can't do that--frankly, I'm horrified by it. Have you taken American History yet?

If so, you must not have been paying attention when you learned about Federalism and why the framers of the constitution feared a tyrannical majority.