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Old 02-04-2005, 12:00 AM
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Ever make a budget?

You "pre-destine" your money to go here or there, and then life happens and the money is appropriated FAR differently.

I believe that's how God has done it. It's also written that "many are called but few are chosen" which makes me think that God is open to as many as possible, but being a realist he knows that not many will choose him over instant gratification.
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Old 02-04-2005, 12:02 AM
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P1- Suppose God knows all before we are born
P2- If God knows everything before we do it , then it's never in our power to do otherwise
P3- If it's never in our power to do otherwise then no human can be punished for their actions
P4- Humans can be justly held responsible for their actions

C- It cannot be the case that God knows before we are born everything we will do
Or an additional conclusion - There is no free will.
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"You "pre-destine" your money to go here or there, and then life happens and the money is appropriated FAR differently."

That seems to me that god can't see the future. Which limits god, and we all know that a limited god is no longer god.
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That seems to me that god can't see the future. Which limits god, and we all know that a limited god is no longer god.
We do?
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Can a perfect essence be limited? And if god isn't perfect, than what is god?
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Can a perfect essence be limited? And if god isn't perfect, than what is god?
And if God cannot be limited, isn't that in itself a limitation?
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Well we can define God all we want... he is who he is and nothing we can say will add to or detract from the veracity of his existence. I don't think there is a pigwon hole that we have invented yet to fit him.

Or we can try to understand him, or what he wants of us.

The first is an attempt to manipulate God.

The second is an attempt to change our hearts.
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And if God cannot be limited, isn't that in itself a limitation?
Either that or a weakness of human language .
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