Proving the existence of Allah (swt) to an atheist

[themadhair]

Originally Posted by eselam

so first she was your cousin then she became your sister. you didn't enter a worm hole in the process did you? you didn't time travel or something.

I can't type coherently sometimes. Somethings that cause it include the level of absolute gobshittery being spouted by yourself on science.

She is my cousin. Both my sisters are much much older.

can i see the test results please. i don't believe you.

Since you asked, she understood that the solar system was the planets and the sun, she understood that the sun was a star, she understood that a galaxy had millions of stars and she also understood that the universe had millions of galaxies.

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by eselam

so first she was your cousin then she became your sister. you didn't enter a worm hole in the process did you? you didn't time travel or something.

Naw, themadhair could be from the Ozarks as there your sister IS your cousin.

[tumbleweed41]

Originally Posted by eselam

i love this post. lets see how everyones comprehension capabilities work. i know they don't when it comes to the 7 universes, as it has been shown.

so here goes;

lets go through what science says about what you have said, shall we.

science says this: the sun heats the oceans. the water molecules breack from liquid into a gaseous state (ie. vapour or steam). once the vapour reaches a certain sphere it starts to become into clouds. then at the top of the mountain it starts to rain (not necessaraly at the mountain).

now i want someone to tell me if what i've said is correct. if not then do correct it please. see you all in a very short while.

• Water vapor comes from the oceans, seas, lakes, and any surface groundwater source.
• Water vapor is a result of both solar and terrestrial heat sources.
• Water vapor condenses into clouds at nearly all levels of the atmosphere.
• Rain is caused by the condensation process making the water to heavy to stay suspended in the cloud. Mountains do not make rain.

[jam.bar]

Originally Posted by eselam

. i know they don't when it comes to the 7 universes, as it has been shown.

I know i'm backing up a little here, but where did you get this 7 universe thing from?

[YmirGF]

lets go through what Eselam says about what you have said, shall we.

Eselam says this:
the sun heats the oceans. Correct.
the water molecules breack from liquid into a gaseous state (ie. vapour or steam).
(It's called evaporation.) Sort of Correct.
once the vapour reaches a certain sphere it starts to become into clouds.
Sort of. Condensation is determined by the temperature of the surrounding air. The water vapor condenses onto small dust particles which then combine together to form clouds. You see, clouds form in various regions of our atmosphere, so it isn't really correct to say, "once the vapour reaches a certain sphere" as it occurs in several regions. It depends how high the water vapor rises and whether it gets frozen and carried higher.

then at the top of the mountain it starts to rain (not necessaraly at the mountain).
Well, yeah, it does rain on mountains and since they are higher than the surrounding land mass, I suppose you could say that, but it is a bit weird to put it that way. It might be more realistic to say that rain simply falls from the cloud base on whatever lies below it.

now i want someone to tell me if what i've said is correct. if not then do correct it please. see you all in a very short while. It is sort of correct, Eselam. You aren't totally wrong, but on the other hand, I wouldn't want you to be teaching a course on the subject either.

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by jam.bar

I know i'm backing up a little here, but where did you get this 7 universe thing from?

Here are some tidbits about the seven heavens according to Islamic tradition:

What about Seven Heavens?
Islam 101 - seven earths, seven heavens

The seven heavens

For the record, the seven heavens in Islam are:

1. Rafi' (رفیع) the least heaven (سماء الدنیا)
2. Qaydum (قیدوم)
3. Marum (ماروم)
4. Arfalun (أرفلون‏)
5. Hay'oun (هيعون‏)
6. Arous (عروس)
7. Ajma' (عجماء)

[jam.bar]

Originally Posted by YmirGF

Here are some tidbits about the seven heavens according to Islamic tradition:

What about Seven Heavens?
Islam 101 - seven earths, seven heavens

The seven heavens

For the record, the seven heavens in Islam are:

1. Rafi' (رفیع) the least heaven (سماء الدنیا)
2. Qaydum (قیدوم)
3. Marum (ماروم)
4. Arfalun (أرفلون‏)
5. Hay'oun (هيعون‏)
6. Arous (عروس)
7. Ajma' (عجماء)

Aaaah right. Makes sense now. Well, it makes now why Eselam brought it up. I don't believe a word of it myself but interesting all the same. Thanks for that.

[eselam]

now that we know how rain works lets go through it shall we.

we all know global warming is happening and unlike most of you i believe it is from Allah (swt) and not from nature, nature doesn't have a brain.

Nameless said this:

the rain occurs due to the presence of sun, water bodies and atmosphere, it is not programmed by any intelligent mind.
Only a moron can think they all are created by someone.

i say exactly the same thing but the other way around ie. "Only a moron can think they all are created by themself and not by Allah"

i will use Australia as the center of this example (i live there) so here goes:

Scientists state that the T (T=temperature) of the seas, oceans etc is rising (ie. the ice is melting and the water level is rising, just like the prophet has told us about). and the rise of T in the waters is due to global warming (you all know what i'm talking about).

in summer australia is a very hot country with an average T of 35-38 degrees. so i am now wondering, if rain isn't controlled by Allah (Allah has appointed angels to give us rian whenever HE wills) then why didn't it rain in the state of Victoria (i'm sure you all know about the bush fires) early this year when the fires took place? or the year before that, or the year before that and the year before that etc etc?

or what about the american state where Arnie is the governer. it's summer in the US now and it also was summer last year when the bush fires stuck. the fires themself proove that it was very hot (taking into consideration that some were deliberate and some caused by lighting).

so i want you guys to expalin to me WHERE IN THE HELL WAS THE RAIN in most of the world countries this summer season?

i know there barely came a rain drop from the sky in the Balkans (the southern part of europe).

like i said i loved it when Nameless made the rain post. i'm going to enjoy your answers on this.

[England my lionheart]

Quote Eselam
so i want you guys to expalin to me WHERE IN THE HELL WAS THE RAIN in most of the world countries this summer season?

Allah must be smiling on Britain as it appears we got most of it

[monta]

Originally Posted by England my lionheart

Quote Eselam
so i want you guys to expalin to me WHERE IN THE HELL WAS THE RAIN in most of the world countries this summer season?

Allah must be smiling on Britain as it appears we got most of it

I protest