Arrogancy (beliefs, preach, church, theist, sin)

[hoomer]

It seems to me personally that many religions like to teach theirs is the only way....

Why is this?

ideas such as

"The Catholic Church, established by Christ, alone possesses the fullness of truth, and it is our duty and great privilege to share that truth with others."

The Spoils: 8:38-40
"Tell the unbelievers that if they mend their ways [abandon 'unbelief'/'idolatry'] their past shall be forgiven; but if they persist in sin ['idolatry'] ...Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme."

no ne may reach the father through ceptmthrough the son,....

etc there are many examples....

Why DOES religion preach seperatness and exclusivity? why does it teach that ONY MY WAY IS RIGHT?

Whereas Hinduism for isntance...acepts ALL religions....

Why are people so arrogant they assume that they and ONLY they have the "truth"????

Of course Relgion is far from solely guilty in this....atheism is too...in fact so are many things....

Is there reay such a thing as Objective truth?

Is the moon made of cheese?



When we have great power we must give it away, a cup can ony be filed if it is emptied

[No*s]

Well, if you believe that Catholicism (or Orthodoxy in my case) is the one place where Truth is incarnate, and the sole, complete source of religious truth, then you will affirm it .

Now, setting aside the tongue-in-cheek comment, I believe that Christ founded the Church, and that the Spirit guides the Church. I also believe that it is the only source I can go to with complete truth about God. While I won't deny that other religions have a bit of truth, I will also follow my beliefs.

What I always find interesting is people who insist that we all say basically the same thing, and are all really one...but get upset at the claim. In the perspective you put forth, we all have truth and error (or maybe just all truth), and in that case, why get upset about one error over another?

[Jayhawker Soule]

I prefer the humilitancy of religious naturalism.

[hoomer]

Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

I prefer the humilitancy of religious naturalism.

what is this?

[hoomer]

Originally Posted by No*s

What I always find interesting is people who insist that we all say basically the same thing, and are all really one...but get upset at the claim. In the perspective you put forth, we all have truth and error (or maybe just all truth), and in that case, why get upset about one error over another?

good point ...the problem is people die and kill for truth.....

I just think its foolish to asume that I and only I have the truth and nothing but the truth ....

I think yes everyone is wrong.....

I dunno I just thinkits arrogant to assume that I have the truth and no one else does....I think there are many truths and many ways to approach God......

Get upset? I do not understand what you mean?....... I am a panentheist (not a pentheist) in my views.....I would never get upset toward allusions upon the idea of all being one...

[No*s]

Originally Posted by hoomer

good point ...the problem is people die and kill for truth.....

And people have oppressed and hurt others for denying the point you have expressed. Either exclusivity, "they aren't like use...them!" or inclusivity "Look at that arrogant sect, they think they have it all figured out...punish them!" have been used, and will be used, to punish those who disagree.

The real question is why shouldn't both groups tolerate each other?

Originally Posted by hoomer

I just think its foolish to asume that I and only I have the truth and nothing but the truth ....

I think yes everyone is wrong.....

I dunno I just thinkits arrogant to assume that I have the truth and no one else does....I think there are many truths and many ways to approach God......

It may well be. However, take Orthodox Christians (of whom I am one) as a test case. Is it arrogant for us to say that we believe God revealed things to us, and that since it holds exclusivity for us to hold that? We aren't making it up there, we are believing another's claim. Now, if the claim is false, then its perpetrator is being arrogant, but we simply believe it.

As a result, it would probably be more arrogant of us to change our claims without first changing our beliefs .

Originally Posted by hoomer

Get upset? I do not understand what you mean?....... I am a panentheist (not a pentheist) in my views.....I would never get upset toward allusions upon the idea of all being one...

I'm sorry. I wasn't clear. I was referring to those who believe we all believe the same basic thing getting upset about people who believe in exclusivity. It always seems curious to me (and an implicit denial of the belief).

I've run across it a few times on the board, and a few times in real time lately, and it is most perplexing. I would think it wouldn't get any more air time than other errors, but it doesn't.

[SoulTYPE]

I know what you mean No*S. I believe I posted on this before.

"I dunno I just thinkits arrogant to assume that I have the truth and no one else does...."

But this does not apply only to Christians/Believers. There are people who believe they know the truth on God far better than anyone else, thus downing everyone else's opinions beliefs without even considering them.

Oh hi Deut rofl.

[SoulTYPE]

Please note that the baove is only a minor example. people who say they know all on God have the possobility of being wrong, and not spreading the correct word on God.

[Circle_One]

I get this a lot, certain people claiming that only their way is the right way and since I don't follow their way I am wrong and I am condemned to burn eternally, and for the most, it annoys me. I'd say 90% of the people I know are not like this and do not ostricize me for not believing as they do, but I have come across a fair amount of those who are like that.

The way I see it is this: my path, my beliefs, etc. are the absolute truth for me because this is what I believe, but that is not to say that my beliefs are the absolute truth for everyone else, because thinking that, IMHO, is wrong. You're beliefs are the absolute truth for you as well mine should be for me, so why be disrespectful and call my beliefs wrong simply because you do not believe them? I've never done this to anyone, so why do people do it to me?

[Sunstone]

I've never done this to anyone, so why do people do it to me?

I suspect some people gain a sense of self-importance by believing that they have spiritual knowledge and/or insights which are superior to the knowledge and insights of other people. It seems to me that if someone's sense of self-importance rests on such a flimsy grounds as that, then they are in trouble to begin with.