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Old 03-21-2004, 01:25 PM
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I will be the first to say Yes.


But many who say God does not know the path you will choose he will just know what happens down that path. That to me sounds like nothing but further from free will.


If you believe in free will then you must believe God has nothing to do with what he knows will happen to you.
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I can hold that God knows the future, and that I still have free will.
This does not mean I believe it to be true though.

Say God knows that I will eat an apple tomorrow, because I will choose to. Many say that if he knows... I HAVE TO. But, I simply say, if I'm not going to choose to eat an apple tomorrow he will know what ever else I will choose to do.

If God makes me eat the apple it is not my choice. If he knows I will, simply because I choose to - and if at the time I had chose anything else then he simply would know something different.
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Hi All,

I think that I have the answer to your question:

Please check out the following link:

http://www.kabbalah.info/engkab/Isra...vesti4_eng.htm

I think you guys should check out this link as well:

www.kabbalah.info

I don't think you will be dissapointed.

Kind regards

Kristian Dawson
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Old 03-21-2004, 04:55 PM
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Free will:
Okay, we do have "free will" within limits. We are limited for example by our society, our physical attributes and even our "memes".
I prefer to think of G-d as a large computer, in this matter. G-d knowing all the possibilities ( including variations and chaos factors) and all the possible outcomes and their effects on the one and all. We still get to choose, but, G-d knows the outcome, no matter which choice we take. This allows G-d to know all and still allows us our freedom to choose our own paths and make our own decisions. I have yet to see anyone in scriptures forced to do the "will of G-d". Even in this matter, we have a choice.
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Hi Guys,

Truthseeker again.

I am sorry I put up the wrong link try this one:

http://www.kabbalah.info/engkab/book_18/chap_13.htm

Thanx and enjoy again let me know what you think.
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Hi Guys,

I'm sorry but this this is such an important subject that I definitely need to draw your attention to this article. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE DO NOT HAVE ANY FREE WILL WHATSOEVER WHILE WE ARE LIVING ON THIS EARTH:

Please look at this article for a detailed explanation:

http://www.kabbalah.info/engkab/book_18/chap_13.htm
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That's three times.... We got it.

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That's three times.... We got it.

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hehe.. the man/woman wants us to check it out!
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Actually what most of us exercise most of the time is our "free won't". I won't do this, I won't believe that, and you can't make me!

This is not always a bad thing......

"I won't" hate others who think differently than I do.......

"I won't" look to the pharmaceutical industry for answers whenever I have a problem.....

"I won't" tell others what to think or believe.......
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I hate to be a party pooper, but, I still disagree. Please note the many times that people "bargained" with G-d and won. Does that not show "free will"?
How many times in scripture do people "sin"? This is done by G-d or the person? If it is done by G-d, then our lives have no point, if this is done by the person, then that would be free will, no? I don't say we have COMPLETE free will, of course, it is limited. HOWEVER, we're not sock puppets of G-d but children of G-d with the priviledges accorded ( free will). debate?
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