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Old 07-05-2009, 03:45 PM
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What do you believe is the core of religious faith? Shoghi Effendi, the Guardian of the Baha'i Faith, wrote that it "is that mystic feeling which unites man with God."
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Old 07-05-2009, 03:58 PM
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What do you mean by "core"? Do you mean source/cause? Main/most important idea/set of ideas? And how is religious faith to be distinguished from areligious faith?
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Old 07-05-2009, 04:30 PM
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The term "core" is from the passage by Shoghi Effendi, and I interpret it to mean the most essential part.

According to dictionary.com, areligious means "unconcerned with or indifferent to religious matters", and religion is "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe." I interpret "religious faith" to be confidence or trust in a set of beliefs regarding God. From the definition of "areligious", I understand "areligious faith" to be confidence that the cause or purpose of the universe is not worthy of concern.
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Old 07-05-2009, 04:34 PM
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Well then, the "core" differs depending on the religion. For historically ancient Christian answers, you might look up the Catholic or Orthodox catechisms online. For more recent Christian answers, you might look up the Westminster Confession or those confessions drawn up after the Protestant Schism.
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Old 07-05-2009, 05:18 PM
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What do you believe is the core of religious faith?
I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but for me, it's personal experience.
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Old 07-05-2009, 06:03 PM
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I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but for me, it's personal experience.
Yeah, but what sort of personal experience? How is it distinguished from the sort of experience whereby I form the belief that I'm being appeared to redly or the sort of experience whereby I form the belief that modus ponens is necessarily true or that my mother died in 2000? I take it that experience of some kind forms the basis for all these beliefs. What sort of experience gives rise to the sort of religious belief that you have, for example?
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Yeah, but what sort of personal experience?
Theophany.

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How is it distinguished from the sort of experience whereby I form the belief that I'm being appeared to redly or the sort of experience whereby I form the belief that modus ponens is necessarily true or that my mother died in 2000?
Dude... WHAT?!?!
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What do you believe is the core of religious faith? Shoghi Effendi, the Guardian of the Baha'i Faith, wrote that it "is that mystic feeling which unites man with God."
I would think that Truth is what unites man with GOD. Faith between man and GOD would leave both entities expectant, hopeful and ignorant of each other.
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It most simply boils down to fear, in one form or another.
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