God is infinite? (ritual, spiritual, God, Christian, verse)

[Rex]

I have heard people say God is infinite and b/c of that we cannot understand him, but what about numbers, they are infinte and we can understand them?

I'm just trying to figure out this argument.

[Master Vigil]

That is sort of how Descartes tried to create an analogous argument for the existence of god. He used the concept of a Triangle though. But it is true, we know that triangles exist, yet they do not exist in physical form. There are things that are in the SHAPE of a triangle. But no true triangle can be produced. The same can go for an infinite god. We know people that (we think) are in the "shape" of a god. (in the christian mind this would be someone who loves, is selfless, etc... Like saints.). Descartes thought that there was nothing we could think of that didn't in part already exist for our empirical knowledge to sense. Therefore he thought that if we can think of an idea of infinity, or perfection, than something must exist for our empirical senses to sense. So that is how (basically) he argued for the existence of god. I just think we can think of infinity and perfection simply by looking at its opposite which is readily available to us. Wow, I hope that made sense.

[oracle]

God is understood by misunderstanding God. God is as untangible as 0. In astrophysics, you can say God is a singularity. In physics, God can be described as zero point energy. To even describe God is a worthless endeavor because finity cannot grasp infinity. It exceeds spacetime and matter, exists everywhere and is within everything.

[No*s]

Originally Posted by Rex_Admin

I have heard people say God is infinite and b/c of that we cannot understand him, but what about numbers, they are infinte and we can understand them?

I'm just trying to figure out this argument.

The God is infinite and therefore incomprehensable approach argues that the nature of His being is such that we don't have any way to know Him. How would you comprehend something uncontained, without beginning, without end, outside time, without limit, etc.? It's beyond us. We're just people and have a hard time with each other and the universe...much less God.

Numbers, though, are figments of our imagination to make sense of the world .

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by Rex_Admin

I have heard people say God is infinite and b/c of that we cannot understand him, but what about numbers, they are infinte and we can understand them?

I'm just trying to figure out this argument.

True numbers are infinite, but how many of us can conceive of a number larger than a billion or a trillion. Due to our educations we can only, probably, list off numbers to a certain level and go no higher because of something as simple as not knowing the name for the quantity we've reached.

Besides, infinity, isn't really a number....infinity is really more ofa concept.

[michel]

Hey Rex,
Quote[I have heard people say God is infinite and b/c of that we cannot understand him, but what about numbers, they are infinte and we can understand them?]

Numbers are actually great fun; there is a strange, almost 'spiritual' quality to numbers.
Take, for instance the number 3, 33, 333. 3333, 33333.....ad infinitum; this can be done with any number under ten (as far as I remember). Square each number, cube it, to the power of 4 etc...
You'll find yourself looking at rows of numbers that a the reoccuring 'string' pattern; the higher you go, the greater it gets.
Infinity? That's where two straight paralell lines meet!!!

[No*s]

Michel,

I suggest you read some Ancient Greek literature. I think you might find som e of it enticing. Many of them go into greate detail on the "spiritual" side of numbers. I don't really buy into that, but you might like it. I believe Plato has a portion on it in the Republic, and you can find stuff by the Pythagorean cult.