The Divine Within (ritual, homosexuality, spiritual, sexuality, faith)

[Ronald]

Has anyone ever noticed that satan was divine in the older testament, an enchanter!
Divine in the Tanach was evil, not in anyway godlike.
Then in the newer testament that was evil, became divine/godlike.
The word Divine is probably the main reason for people proclaming Jesus is God.
If the defination from the Tanach were used for Divine Jesus, He(Jesus) would be an Enchanter like Satan.
Example of black becomming white! Truth becomming a lie!

[SoulTYPE]

Indeed I did, Ron, from what I have read.

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by may

Animals have functioning brains.but ,the human brain is in a class by itself, making us undeniably unique.

Only because the size allows for more enhanced capabilty - capabilites shared by so many animals.

WISDOM is the ability to use acquired knowledge to solve problems and avoid dangers. For humans, wisdom involves the use of reasoning powers.

Wisdom in the name of what reasoning produces. You seem to have the cart before the horse.

Danger is avoid by instinct. Risk may be avoided by reasoning

While animals are incapable of reasoning like humans, they have all the faculties needed for the preservation of their kind. This is built into them as instinct. Often their instinctive wisdom is amazing.

Wrong - animals are capable of reasoning. Have you just jumped into the thread without reading the posts where reasoning is shown in animals?

Procreative sex (preservation of thier kind) may be instinctive to a degree but it does not cover the taboos established nor the rewarding mutual pleasure nor the basic facts of sex (slot A for part B) which must be taught. (otherwise, the "parts" would be only for waste elimination).

Bob

[oracle]

Animals are capable of showing altruism, self sacrifice, an attribute long thought to have only be shown by humans. Wisdom is memory, learning experience, information stored in the mind. The more intelligent creatures show behavior of wisdom.

[Master Vigil]

"For humans, wisdom involves the use of reasoning powers."

Are you following the "do animals reason" thread? Humans are not as different as we think. And we are definitely the greatest on this planet.

[oracle]

Pyshcologically, wisdom is the memory that is stored inside the mind. An organism needs to continously gather information from outside the environment and use the information gathered to adapt and survive. That is the whole purpose for memory. Wisdom comes from experience, so does memory. Experience is the gathering of information, through sensation and perception; the five senses, the endocrine system and the nervous system. The endocrine system includes the amygdala and hypothalamus, control centers of the mind that provide a motive and a stimulus to do something. In oder to seek truth, you must first desire it. The arousal of curiousity is a mechanism motivating you to prod and experiment in the surounding environment when the brain does not know what it is percieving. I call it stimulus, perception, and memory.

Stimulus: A child sees a red hot coil on the stove. It arouses a sense of curiousity.
Perception: The coil looks harmless.
Memory: The coil looks harmless because there is no memory or information gathered telling the child other wise. The child touches the coil, burns his hand, and through the endocrine and nervous system this experience was recorded as being painful. Also the visual information is recorded so that he will recognize the coil.

He has learned from this experience and will not touch the coil again.

Everything you experience is etched into your brain from the moment of birth, even though you cannot recall all your memories. Your memories make up your subconscious mind, it is philosophically called the soul. It makes the mind possible. The conscious mind constantly retrieves stored memory. The mind is self will, memory helps us discern right from wrong, good from bad, pleasureable from painful, self-preserving from hostile. The endocrine and nervous system also protects us with an automatic reflex system, as soon as it recognizes something life threatening, the endocrine and nervous system bypasses the mind, the cognitive and conscious part of the brain. This is also what you call instincts.

Just about every organism has such mechanisms.

The conscious mind, self will, derives from God. However your consciousness is seperated from the super-consciousness and trapped by space-time and it becomes self. Every creature has self will. God is manifest in all things, even things that cannot become aware of self.

[Master Vigil]

So why did you inply that animals do not have wisdom?

[Master Vigil]

I apologize then. I mistakingly thought you implied that animals did not have wisdom.

[may]

Originally Posted by Lightkeeper

Do we have the Divine within us? Does everyone or just a select few? If so, how do we get in touch with it?

To a limited extent, some birds can mimic human speech sounds. But no animal has a brain programmed to produce speech the way man’s does. It is not surprising that scientists have been unsuccessful in their attempts to get apes to make clear speech sounds. According to neurobiologist Ronald Netsell, the skill required to speak can be compared to that of "the unusual person who plays the piano entirely ‘by ear.’" Or as lexicographer Ludwig Koehler concluded: "Human speech is a secret; it is a DEVINE GIFT a miracle."
man, of all living things on earth, has the ability to grasp and understand spiritual things and therefore also has morality, which animals do not possess. Truly, man can be said to have an inborn capacity for spirituality, and he has a need for this capacity to be filled. He appreciates art, beauty and fine qualities. He can, with God’s help, produce the "fruitage of the spirit," which is "love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control."—Gal. 5:22, 23.

[oracle]

Animals are just as much a part of us. Breaking it down atomically, the ability to use speech is of the human brain and is particle. Memories like I said are particle, and consciousness [thoughts] is wave. The capicity to use speech does not make us seperate from animals on a conscious level [animals have brain waves too]. Particle is ego, and particle dies. God is a unified consciousness, emanating vibration [waves] through all particles caught in a vacuum of spacetime [actually they are not waves but are spirals, consciousness is 4-dimensional, that is why there is telepathy]. Ego is prideful, it makes you think you are better than everything else through self-identity. That is the deception of self. Some animals are capable of showing morality, but morality itself is just an illusion. The bible is a canon formed by politics. Almost all books were written by a different author. Not all share the same view, and though they are inspired with good intentions it is not all truth [Paul believed that women are unequal to men in the church]. The fruitage of the spirit is at-one-ment, the death of the ego, and the realization that self is just a barrier concealing the reality of unification. All these attributes come after ego-death. Long-suffering is selflessness, and only one who has died to self can grasp it, likewise self-control. Desire comes from self, but when one has died to self, desire leaves, and one gains self-control [over all desire], for all desire is selfish, even the desire for love, but true love is emotionless and at-one-ment with all that exists. Like I said with divinity. Divinity are the attributes of God, But God is a connection, a unification between all living things. Love is only an attribute if it is describing this connection, likewise selflessness and all attributes that are the product of unition. A child with brain damage that does not have the ability to speak does not seperate him or her from this unification. If a child with brain damage does not understand morality, does that exclude them from divinity? And likewise, everyone's morals are different from one another, morality is not divine. There is no such thing as evil, you only percieve evil because that is a brain function of the amygdala, which subconsciously alerts you when it recognizes hostilies [which is particle and of self]. That is why Jesus said to love your enemies. Everyone makes mistakes, it is a necessity and part of our being. Self-righteousness is hypocrisy, that is why Jesus said not to judge others. Condemning others is really self-condemnation, there is no such thing as a hell, but hell is seperation from the whole, seperation from God and eath other; it is self-division. Speech is not divine, it is particle and biological. Speech is a finite thing, and cannot even grasp what is divine with words or explanations.

BTW certain species of apes can use sign language. Actually, it is a theory that our first language was sign language. Then after the development of sign language came speech, kinda like pointing and grunting, then the development of written language, etc.