Islam, how much do you really know about it? (Jesus Christ, ritual) - Page 145

Alla Prima · #**1441** 01-11-2009, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by .lava

[font=Verdana]you are not here to ask to know about Islam. you are sure you know it. so why do you ask questions?

Why is it you think I will automatically accept your version of Islam. You speak as though your truth (your interpretation of the Koran) is carved in stone. I assure you it isn't. I make up my own mind. I'm not Muslim.

Alla Prima · #**1442** 01-11-2009, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by .lava

it is not about 'my' translation. Qur'an clearly describes who mushrik is.

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Let's assume what you're saying is perfectly correct. The koran is nonetheless denigrating people who have every right to believe what they wish. My original comment stands.

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Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.

Alla Prima · #**1443** 01-11-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pharon85

islam is about submitting to god
and islam don't denigrate any one

This is utter nonsense. Muhammad himself sold women and children into slavery. It's no wonder Islam denigrates others for their beliefs. Islam is about Islam not people. People take a back seat (second place) to the ideolgy of Islam.

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you don't believe that there are a god

I don't believe in Allah nor the Jewish and Christian god. This kind of creator god is not possible.

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as you like that is what islam say
but when you are submitted to god you are under his merci ,when you are a non beliver there will be no merci at all for you

I've seen Allah's 'mercy'. I wouldn't want it even if Allah did exist. I have no desire to go to Allah's heaven. I don't like your idea of God nor do I imagine I would like many of the people there.

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in quran god say any thing can be forgiven except that
can't you say may be they are right

Not an atom's worth.

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you say i don't submit to any god
what will happen if there are one ?
what will you say when you meet him?

What will you do when you find out George Bush is Allah? You see how nonsensical the question is?

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you don't care ,it is ok
in quran god didn't assault non belivers of him
god promised them with punishment
that is it

Unbelievers are denigrated in the Koran.

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what you see it as assault is just describing and definitions of them because there are many types

Religions love unbelievers. Unbelievers help unite believers and give them someone to oppose and hate.

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some don't believe with god at all, some believe but they modified what god sent them,some say we believe but inside themselves they say we are not
some believe with god but they gave god some partners
in quran you can find all that types and promise with punishment
so if you are right and there are no god no thing will happen for believers or non believers because there are no one can gave them a punish or reward
so your discussion here will be with no meaning because we will be equal at the end

I'm not concerned about the end. I'm concern for the suffering of people here in this life and the fact that Islam denigrates people because of their beliefs causes much suffering here on earth.

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but if there are god and there are punishment where do you think non believers will be ???????????????????
if it is like that you are jumbling and there are a high risk

I think you mean gambling not 'jumbling'. No I'm not gambling. I'm certain in what I know. I have seen the truth and the truth does not include Allah.

.lava · #**1444** 01-11-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Alla Prima

Why is it you think I will automatically accept your version of Islam. You speak as though your truth (your interpretation of the Koran) is carved in stone. I assure you it isn't. I make up my own mind. I'm not Muslim.

i do not mind what you believe in or what path you follow. but if you're going to talk about THE BOOK I FOLLOW AND COMMANDS THAT I PRACTICE then hold on there! i would never come over and tell you what your religion or whatever is that you believe says. this is what you're doing. you're telling me what i practice. you can not know what i've been living and what i am taught and above all what Qur'an says better than i do, got it? you keep talking about how Muslims treat this men that men then you prove that you are not even able to show respect to experiences of people who's Muslim. wanna know about Islam then ask! do not act as if i did not learn my religion correctly. stop this arrogant nonsense.

so here i say again; i do not care if you speak out your belief but do not come up and tell me what my religion says. especially since you do not even know how Qur'an describes people, you do not know concepts of original text. even a Muslim cold not understand it in case he did not study it. GOT IT? if it was THAT easy, then all the Muslims would be the same just by reading it once. but it does not work that way. you look down on text of Qur'an. we don't. we give effort to understand it we study it as long as we live. so you think you got it by reading it as if you read some stupid text, that is your problem. then stop asking questions. it is obvious you do not care for our answers.

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England my lionheart · #**1445** 01-11-2009, 09:00 AM

This is the thing i find horrible,you either believe or burn in hell,i don't believe a loving God would do this,none of the Abrahmic religions make sense to me,in fact i believe that religion has more to do with Man than God.
In the rain forest somewhere,a tribe has been discovered that nobody had seen before(you may have seen it on the news)now these people know nothing of Christianity or Islam,Buddism etc so if the end time happened now they would go straight to hell which is another reason it makes no sense other than Men manipulating other Men through religion/belief.
The other thing is i have already seen the ambiguoty of religious books and especially in this thread and Islam is like Christianity and Judaism,it has many arms and isn't simply one.

Alla Prima · #**1446** 01-11-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by .lava

i do not mind what you believe in or what path you follow. but if you're going to talk about THE BOOK I FOLLOW AND COMMANDS THAT I PRACTICE then hold on there! i would never come over and tell you what your religion or whatever is that you believe says. this is what you're doing. you're telling me what i practice. you can not know what i've been living and what i am taught and above all what Qur'an says better than i do, got it? you keep talking about how Muslims treat this men that men then you prove that you are not even able to show respect to experiences of people who's Muslim. wanna know about Islam then ask! do not act as if i did not learn my religion correctly. stop this arrogant nonsense.

so here i say again; i do not care if you speak out your belief but do not come up and tell me what my religion says. especially since you do not even know how Qur'an describes people, you do not know concepts of original text. even a Muslim cold not understand it in case he did not study it. GOT IT? if it was THAT easy, then all the Muslims would be the same just by reading it once. but it does not work that way. you look down on text of Qur'an. we don't. we give effort to understand it we study it as long as we live. so you think you got it by reading it as if you read some stupid text, that is your problem. then stop asking questions. it is obvious you do not care for our answers.

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Please list your criticisms of the Koran? Thank you.

.lava · #**1447** 01-11-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by England my lionheart

This is the thing i find horrible,you either believe or burn in hell,i don't believe a loving God would do this,none of the Abrahmic religions make sense to me,in fact i believe that religion has more to do with Man than God.
In the rain forest somewhere,a tribe has been discovered that nobody had seen before(you may have seen it on the news)now these people know nothing of Christianity or Islam,Buddism etc so if the end time happened now they would go straight to hell which is another reason it makes no sense other than Men manipulating other Men through religion/belief.
The other thing is i have already seen the ambiguoty of religious books and especially in this thread and Islam is like Christianity and Judaism,it has many arms and isn't simply one.

Abraham (PBUH) did not know anyone to teach him, he did not know the name of Allah, he did not know religion at all. but he thought of a creator and he wished to reach God. any human being in this world, even if he did not hear the name of religion would think about where he came from. any human being with or without knowledge of religion have a chance to make a wish to reach God. this is what makes people earn heaven.

how many times did you hear the names like hell and heaven? when this world ends, if you realize that you earn hell would you be able to say 'i did not know about it' or 'i was not warned about it'? God would not send anyone to hell with pleasure. God does not want anyone to earn hell therefor there are holy books that warn people about after life. if we were not warned and informed about after life, then, of course, that would be very cruel. but you see, even though we do not believe in after life, we do not have chance to say we did not know.

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