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Old 01-07-2005, 06:30 AM
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Default [QUOTE=SoulTYPE01]Many don't, mich, but I do not hold that against them.

[quote=SoulTYPE01] I never said that I held it against them; you assumed!
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Old 01-07-2005, 06:34 AM
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I never said that I held it against them; you assumed!
No, I was merely pointing out the fact that I would not hold it against them. I was not implying that you did.
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Old 01-07-2005, 07:11 AM
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What or who do you think created the 'whole lot?' - did you? Do you know of anyone or anything that has the ability to create complex beings (humans, animals, flora and fauna), and give them the ability to regrow after some decay? I do not want to offend you, but I am such a fool as not being able to understand how you can not believe in a God.
P.s if you really have one million dollars, why not donate it to the regrowth of the 'battered' Countries?
Of course, there is the option of you proving God exists and you can give the money to "battered" countries.

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Old 01-07-2005, 07:58 AM
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What or who do you think created the 'whole lot?' - did you? Do you know of anyone or anything that has the ability to create complex beings (humans, animals, flora and fauna), and give them the ability to regrow after some decay? I do not want to offend you, but I am such a fool as not being able to understand how you can not believe in a God.
P.s if you really have one million dollars, why not donate it to the regrowth of the 'battered' Countries?
No, I don't know of anyone or anything that has the ability to create complex beings. And in my opinion, neither does anyone else. "God" is just a fictional character in books written by humans that offer no believable explanation of how the universe and its inhabitants were created.

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No, I don't know of anyone or anything that has the ability to create complex beings. And in my opinion, neither does anyone else. "God" is just a fictional character in books written by humans that offer no believable explanation of how the universe and its inhabitants were created.

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How did Moses get it right then? you know, the order in which things were created? how did he know? what about the water cycle? how did isiah know about that? what about Job? How did he know the earth was round? and that it hangs on nothing? abit ahead of their time don't you think?
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I could prove it to you without a shadow of doubt, but I'd have to kill you first. Then, not only would I not get the million, I'd also be in trouble for murder.
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I'm sorry, it just can't be done. Substantial proof would be from science and philosophy, both of which study nature, and the Christian God is the Divine Creator. He has revealed Himself as unapproachable and incomprehensible. Science helps us understand nature, and philosophy is the abstract and practical reflection of what we can know. Since we can't observe God, and He is beyond the power of our intellect, we cannot reach him through the means by which we obeserve nature. If God really is divine, there is no way for us to know whether or not He exists.

He must reveal Himself to us.

We can review the records of revelation, for Christians, preserved in the NT and Tanach (OT), for historical (scientific) and theological (philosophical) consistentcy and intellectually come to the conclusion that God most probrably exists, but there is no hard evidence because God remians forever incomprehensible and unapproachable.

If we could discover God on our own, then we could determine how we could best relate to Him. Since He found us, He gets to determine how we best relate to Him.
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I could go on about how the chances of things ending up like they are from evolution are far to small to happen, but then again, theres a 1 in 1 thousand, million, or whatever chance of being struck by lightning, and people get struck by it. So mathmatics and numbers can niether prove nor disprove god.

Having visions might be able to prove god. When someone of a credible source has a vision of spiritual beings, who has no medical history of hallucinating, it could prove god, but then again, certain things that cause hallucinations might have been unkowningly consumed.

A story when someone hears a voice that leads them to forgoten money or some other thing that was hidden could prove god. But psychology has proved that people have selective memory, and can completly forget things.

So really faith, and maybe alittle luck with the small chances, are the only things that prove god exist.
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I can prove with out a shadow of a doubt that thier is a God...heck I can even prove there is a devil. However I have to kill you so that you can see them for your self.

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