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Old 11-08-2008, 02:24 PM
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1 - The Edentic Covenant was a Covenant with all Mankind. It was established in the Garden of Eden. The token was the Tree of Knowledge.
The eternal gift of God was Freewill. (Gen. 4:7) God's promise was dominion over the whole Earth. (Gen. 1:28) Men rejected it and the Flood came.

2 - The Noahite Covenant was a Covenant with all Mankind. The token was the bow in the cloud. (Gen. 9:8-13) God's promise was life pledged by the
People of Israel soon to come from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Man's part was to obey the Noahite laws.

3 - The Abrahamic Covenant was a Covenant with Israel only. The token was the circumcision. The reason was to fulfill God's promise to Noah as the
guarantee for the world to keep going. (Gen. 17:9-14, 19-21) God's promise was possession of Canaan. (Gen. 15:18-21) God's concern with the rest
of Mankind was that Israel would act as Redeemer. (Gen. 15:7-21) Thus, throughout History the world has kept a tight grip on the Jewish People
through pogroms, exiles, Crusades, Inquisitions, Nazis and anti-Semites in general.

4 - The Sinaitic Covenant was a Covenant with Israel only. The duty of Israel here was to obey the Law. That's when the Torah was given. The token
was the Shabbat given as a sign between the parties: God and Israel. (Ezek. 20:12,20) Under this Covenant, the method of conversion was introduced
according to Isaiah 56:1-8.

5 - The New Covenant was a Covenant with Israel only. The New Israel from the branch of Judah, according to Isaiah 48:1. What's new about this Covenan
was on the method of observance. It had been prophesied by Jeremiah to be made with the remnant of Jewish returnees from the exile in Babylon.

So, in the New Covenant, new were but the terms. Instead of the People being compelled to obey for fear of punishment, they would voluntarily seek the Lord.
In other words, instead of having the Law written in tablets of stone, it would be printed in our hearts. Tecnically, it is but a renewal of the Sinaitic Covenant
made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah as one, including all the converted to Judaism. (Jer. 31:31,34; Isa. 56:1-8; Zech. 8:23)

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Old 11-10-2008, 09:41 AM
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Greetings! :-)

In the Baha'i view, there are two classes of covenant:

- The Greater Covenant was between God and Abraham, and in it God promised that humanity would never be left without spiritual guidance!

- The Lesser Covenant is renewed each time God sends humanity a new Divine Messenger to establish a new religion (or more accurately, a new stage in the single ever-evolving Faith of God). It is between the Messenger and humanity and both promises another Messenger in the fullness of time and also pledges humanity to follow these Messengers.

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Old 11-10-2008, 10:28 AM
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Hey Ben,my path has been described as*the way of the circumstised heart* recently(was that you?)

How are you on the 12 tribes creating a 13th? Cosmic Shabat... http://www.koshertorah.com/PDF/shabatsecrets.pdf

Believe it or not,I've kinda ahered to the 10 commandments the last 6 years or so,don't ask me why coz I don't rightly know.

& my higher self was trying to communicate,just I had the dishes to wash,the boys to bath,storytime blah,blah.

Cosmic Shabat,I love this concept.
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Hi. LDS believe in the "new and everlasting covenant" - that which was promised to Abraham and continually renewed through the dispensations. We believe the covenant is for Israel only. However, (and this might sound crazy to you) we believe when we convert and accept the gospel we are adopted into Israel and the covenants and their accompanying promises made available to us.
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Hi. LDS believe in the "new and everlasting covenant" - that which was promised to Abraham and continually renewed through the dispensations. We believe the covenant is for Israel only. However, (and this might sound crazy to you) we believe when we convert and accept the gospel we are adopted into Israel and the covenants and their accompanying promises made available to us.
Is this part of the reason why the LDS church supports the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem?

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Thank you. Why do you think it is important for the jews to rebuild their temple?

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I know you weren't asking me, but don't you think it is important for the Jews to rebuild the temple because it fulfills the scripture?
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Good Charity! You came at the right time. Tell her yourself. I think I have lost my
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[to a third party] Thank you. Why do you think it is important for the jews to rebuild their temple?
IOV it isn't: those prophecies have already been fulfilled, and the temple is a spiritual, not a physical, edifice in any case!

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