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Old 10-11-2008, 08:18 PM
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Default Heaven=good and hell=bad, right? (Any religion with a good place and a bad place in the afterlife)
This question has been plaguing me for a long time. My friends tell me im both philosophical and insane, which I believe comes hand in hand. But, here's the question: Heaven is a place that is for the good, as a reward, while hell is a place for the evil, as a punishment, right? If you were a bad person, who loved evil in all its nature, would it really be punishment to be sent to hell? Wouldn't Heaven be a punishment to those that love evil?
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Old 10-11-2008, 09:06 PM
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This question has been plaguing me for a long time. My friends tell me im both philosophical and insane, which I believe comes hand in hand. But, here's the question: Heaven is a place that is for the good, as a reward, while hell is a place for the evil, as a punishment, right? If you were a bad person, who loved evil in all its nature, would it really be punishment to be sent to hell? Wouldn't Heaven be a punishment to those that love evil?

I have news for you: There is no such a thing as Hell or Heaven as a place to go to.
Hell or Heaven is but a state of mind we cause to ourselves or to others but here on
earth. These words have been cultivated as places of torment or of bliss by religious
crooks in order to play with people's fears.

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Old 10-12-2008, 01:14 AM
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Heaven or hell are not places. Heaven is a union with God while hell would be a separation from God. From I gather from the Bible is that men separate from God and not vice versa.
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Old 10-12-2008, 09:20 AM
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Heaven or hell are not places. Heaven is a union with God while hell would be a separation from God. From I gather from the Bible is that men separate from God and not vice versa.

Way to go ChristineES! I agree with you 101 percent.

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Old 10-13-2008, 12:04 PM
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I have news for you: There is no such a thing as Hell or Heaven as a place to go to.
Hell or Heaven is but a state of mind we cause to ourselves or to others but here on
earth. These words have been cultivated as places of torment or of bliss by religious
crooks in order to play with people's fears.

Ben
Tell that to Hades... (don't get me wrong, I do agree with you, but the power-hungry priests didn't make the concept up; the Greeks had already had the concept)


Here's how it worked in Greek mythology:

Most people went to Asphodel. This is rather like the Hebrew Sheol, as simply a place for the dead. Basically you'd just exist as a shade for eternity.

REALLY bad people went to Tartarus, where you were punished according to what you did. The punishment that really gets to me the most is the one suffered by Tantalus. He killed his son and tried to serve him up to the gods as food, and when they saw what he was doing, they sent him to Tartarus to stand in a pool of clear water with a vine of the finest fruit just in reach; whenever he tried to put his lips to the water it left him so he couldn't drink, and when he tried to reach for the food a wind would blow it to just out of reach.

Heroes and great people went to Elysian, a paradise. If someone was especially good, they got to live again, and if they achieved this honor three times, they went to an island (whose name I forget at the moment) to live forever.
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This question has been plaguing me for a long time. My friends tell me im both philosophical and insane, which I believe comes hand in hand. But, here's the question: Heaven is a place that is for the good, as a reward, while hell is a place for the evil, as a punishment, right? If you were a bad person, who loved evil in all its nature, would it really be punishment to be sent to hell? Wouldn't Heaven be a punishment to those that love evil?
That is actually a very interesting question....if someone is evil and lives to be bad then why would they want to go to heaven and live in paradise with God? Question is if heaven then became their punishment would you want (as a good person) to share it with them?

So here is another question (just for thought) is there actually a hell? or just a place where everyone "fits"
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Here is what Jesus described but you must understand that this was before His death so the place described here is before those on the fiery side of the gulf were cast into Hell. Also note that Hell in the bible is usually referred to as people that will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth".

Passage Luke 16:19-31:

19"There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, who was laid at his gate, full of sores21and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.22And it came to pass that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died, and was buried.23And in hell, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom.24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime received thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and thou art tormented.26And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that they who would pass from here to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there. 27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house,28for I have five brethren, that he may testify unto them lest they also come into this place of torment.29Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.30And he said, Nay, father Abraham; but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.31And Abraham said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rose from the dead.'"
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You're forgetting that story in Luke was a parable. Parables are not taken literally.
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i used this because this was from Jesus and is not believed to be as a parable by scholars but an actual story. there are plenty of other places that describe Hell and Heaven as actual places in the bible, not a state of mind or simple separation of the Almighty.
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