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Old 10-15-2008, 02:54 PM
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My reason for believing in God is not just because there isn't an answer to the beginning of the universe and I am not stating that as an argument or have I ever mentioned in this thread the creation story. All the way through I have been saying I believe in both. The orininal question = Creation - God or Science, BOTH!! God AND Science. There are many other reasons why I believe in a God. Personal experiences/prayer etc, these experiences are far more important to me and my faith than things which I know I will prob never understand! There are things in religion that cannot be explained, the same as there are things in science which we do not know who cannot be explained.
I didn't say it was necessarily you. That was the argument being presented here, though, which is where our debate came from.

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Maybe I have been taught it wrong, but when i learnt the big bang, it was the theory for the very beginning. ie nothing going into something. In fact it must be because the big bang created (supposedly) the universe, the universe is constantly expanding into nothingness therefore big bang = nothing to something. I have just never agreed with it and probably never will!
The Big Bang theory only claims that what we know as the universe now came from an extremely condensed tiny ball of matter that exploded. As far as I know, it makes no claim about where that tiny ball of matter came from. There are even some theories that go along with the BB theory that suggest that it was not the first Big Bang there was, as in there was a universe before which shrunk up into the tiny ball, and our universe might meet the same fate. Anyway, the point is that even the BB theory doesn't imply that particles are necessarily not eternal.
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Old 10-15-2008, 02:55 PM
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I do know for a fact though. I don't think anyone knows the age of the universe.
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Astronomical observations indicate that the universe is 13.73 ± 0.12 billion years old[1] and at least 93 billion light years across.
Reference: Chang, Kenneth (2008-03-09). "[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/science/space/09cosmos.html?_r=1&oref=slogin]Gauging Age of Universe Becomes More Precise[/ur]", New York Times. Retrieved on 2008-09-24.

It may sound weird to have an age for the Universe. But it is just our mental conditioning that makes it so, just as it was once unconceivable that Earth did not have some sort of solid surface to sustain it.
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Astronomical observations indicate that the universe is 13.73 ± 0.12 billion years old[1] and at least 93 billion light years across.
Is that right? That would mean that the universe is expanding at more than three times the speed of light, wouldn't it?
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I am no physicist, but it is premature to assume that the Universe expanded from "nothing" linearly. For all we know the Big Bang may somehow have occupied an enormous initial area of space.

As for if that is right... who knows?
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I am no physicist, but it is premature to assume that the Universe expanded from "nothing" linearly. For all we know the Big Bang may somehow have occupied an enormous initial area of space.

As for if that is right... who knows?

Since nobody knows anything for sure, it means the Creationists might have a chance after all.

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No, it doesn't. Stop deluding yourself, will ya?

You are doing a disservice to your faith by presenting it in such a silly light.

Gee. Is hoping for a free-for-all the best approach you can manage to your own religious practice?
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Even though people can accept both ways of the beginging of the universe, [they] are still completely different and need to be thought and considered deeply


I wouldn't call them "completely different"; rather, I'd say they're complimentary and properly viewed, dovetail very nicely! :-)

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