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Old 10-12-2008, 06:21 PM
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What does that mean, Ben Masada? How can "change" create something or bring something into being? Doesn't change, ie: evolution, require an already extant creation to work upon?
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Old 10-12-2008, 06:24 PM
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What does that mean, Ben Masada? How can "change" create something or bring something into being? Doesn't change, ie: evolution, require an already extant creation to work upon?
But isn't the result of the change 'creation' because it is different from the "existant creation"?
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Old 10-12-2008, 06:28 PM
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? Why would that (or any disorder) be more difficult to explain than anything else?
It is an indication that births are essentially accidental as opposed to planned by a Higher Power. Hence, they are counter-evidence for Creationism.
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Old 10-12-2008, 06:30 PM
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I am of the opinion that more responsibility for our own future and less realiance in God, is due more to awareness of
our freewill than to Technology. As long as man becomes more and more conscious of his attribute of freewill,
the more he will realize that whatever we do or neglect doing, we have no one to blame or credit for but ourselves.


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Well, that is the problem with free will; it does not make sense as a concept.

All it does is to negate the existence of God without actually spelling it out.
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Old 10-12-2008, 06:31 PM
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But isn't the result of the change 'creation' because it is different from the "existant creation"?
So we have nothing but stagnation or creation? And is there no value in distinguishing between creation and occurrence, between that which is created and that which occurs?

I fail to see the value of persistently diluting terms so as to render them useless.
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It is an indication that births are essentially accidental as opposed to planned by a Higher Power. Hence, they are counter-evidence for Creationism.
No, no... the suggestion was that this particular disorder was more unexplainable.
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So we have nothing but stagnation or creation? And is there no value in distinguishing between creation and occurrence, between that which is created and that which occurs?

I fail to see the value of persistently diluting terms so as to render them useless.
Unlessless has its uses, too! Get with the program.

We have creation (born of change), stagnation (born of no-change), and the stagnation of creation, born of my favourite of quotes: The only thing that doesn't change is change itself.
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No, no... the suggestion was that this particular disorder was more unexplainable.
Where did he say that? He just cited an example.
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No, no... the suggestion was that this particular disorder was more unexplainable.
Sorry, I don't follow. May you explain?
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