What is the OT? (Jesus, Torah, Pentateuch, followers, mission)

[Rex]

A person replied to something I said on another forum with this:

True, But the OT is not a guide to living as the new testament is. The OT is more of a history of a people and proof of the fullfillment of prophesy.

Also OT laws do not apply to today's christians. If you dislike the OT your battle is with Jews, not Christians...

Is there any validity with what he said?

[Lintu]

#1 is pretty darn untrue, especially with regard to the Pentateuch. How can someone not call it a guide to living when there are all the mitzvot there, showing Jews how to live?

#2 depends on whether you accept the authority of Paul or that of Jesus. Jesus said in Matthew that not one letter would pass away from the old Jewish law. Paul said that Jesus became a curse and lifted the curse of the law. I know that growing up Christian, I had to study a LOT of Old Testament. It's definitely not irrelevant to Christians.

[Sunstone]

It sounds like a mainstream Christian interpretation of the place of the OT in Christianity. I think some fundamentalists put much more emphasis on the OT as a contemporary guide to behavior than do mainstream Christians. Of course, I could be wrong about that.

[Fluffy]

I have heard this idea cited by Christians before. I suppose if enough Christians believe this then theres nothing to stop it from being valid.

[Mister Emu]

ALOT of the OT is the history of the nation of Israel.

There is also the law, which Jesus fulfilled, the people were going so much by the word of the law they forgot the spirit, Jesus restored the spirit of the law.,

[Ronald]

To a five year old in Jerusalem the Tanach is an Alpha bet book, an arithmatic book, history book, a book of prophesy, a total education. They study till the bar mitzvah and he becomes a son of the commandment. Some continue till about thirty to become a Rabbi, there is still more to learn.
This is the history of the Rabbi Yeshua ben Joseph, around thirty ihis young Hebrew scholar began his teaching of the people, he live the Tanach to the full. He told his followers to follow him. Did he mean it? Yes and he raised up another young Hebrew Rabbi, who had made it his mission to ferret out all of the followers of this Yeshua and arrest them and flog them in Jerusalem.
This young Rabbi had an experience on the way to Damascus, where he met this Yeshua, got a little good news and changed his attitude and became the apostle to the Gentiles, He said to imitate him as he imitated Yeshua.

So you see the one who thought the Tanach was only a history book, is DEAD WRONG! The Tanach is alive and well and was NEVER Nailed to the cross. The only thing nailed to the cross was the Col 2:14 having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us, that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross; Which is the records of my offences against the Torah of God.

Christian believers learn just enough to be SAVED. This is GOOD, but not as GOOD AS IT GETS.
Christians are misled into false teachings.

Read Rev.22 :14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. NKJV
Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.RSV
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.AV

If this sounds like no LAWLESS Christian will enter the Holy City, you have read it on the Pashat level. And yes that is what it means.

[chuck010342]

yes there is validity. But if you have a problem with the OT its not the Jews you have a problem with but God. Timothy says that "all scripture is God-breathed"

[Ronald]

Originally Posted by chuck010342

yes there is validity. But if you have a problem with the OT its not the Jews you have a problem with but God. Timothy says that "all scripture is God-breathed"

Au Contraire, the reference was to the Tanach, as no NT at the time! LOL

[fromthe heart]

Originally Posted by Rex_Admin

A person replied to something I said on another forum with this:


Is there any validity with what he said?

I still think the Old Testament has a place...I don't see how it's laws don't apply to today...I think some New Testament churches would like not to have to give any attention to the ot but I think to get the most out of the Bible and to live as God wants us to we must give both great consideration as being important.

[Rex]

While the replies are great I am still confused on where the OT fits into a Christian thought. I dunno maybe it's just me.