What is the OT? (Jesus, Torah, Pentateuch, followers, mission)

[fromthe heart]

Originally Posted by Rex_Admin

While the replies are great I am still confused on where the OT fits into a Christian thought. I dunno maybe it's just me.

There is so much but I'll just touch on 2 for me as a christian...the moral laws and laws of sexual morality found in Leviticus chapter 18...and God's law found in the old testament. I don't know why the old testament wouldn't be used by christians....it describes what idolatry is, it describes ALL of what the New Testament speaks of...Just because Jesus came doesn't mean all the laws of God are null and void to me. Things are explained in detail in the old testament so you can better understand the new testament and why Jesus came and what His coming has meant for all who believe...I just don't think the New Testament can stand alone without the old testament. When I was small I was given a copy of just the New Testament...a lot didn't make sense to me untill I used the Old Testament with it.

[t3gah]

Perhaps one must think about just who had the scriptures penned to begin with, God. Calling the Hebrew scriptures Old when the commandments came from God isn't really correct. Calling the Greek scriptures New also isn't correct since again God's standards are stated throughout. Jesus even quoted from the Law. Also, Paul did and the disciple Stephen spoke of the history of the Jews before he was stoned to death.

Check out the scriptures the apostle Paul wrote:

(2 Timothy 3:14-17)
14 You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

[chuck010342]

Originally Posted by Ronald

Au Contraire, the reference was to the Tanach, as no NT at the time! LOL

The reference to the OT that the question brought up is in question as to its morality to today.

I'm saying that the OT is extremely useful for today and is eternal. Jesus said " I have not come to destroy the law or the prophets but to fulfill them."

[Ronald]

Originally Posted by chuck010342

The reference to the OT that the question brought up is in question as to its morality to today.

I'm saying that the OT is extremely useful for today and is eternal. Jesus said " I have not come to destroy the law or the prophets but to fulfill them."

Then the major problem is in the way you as a Christian say fulfill means! If fulfill is to do them perfectly and not to make them nul and void, then Christians would be Law abiding with the aid of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Yeshua's Commands are not greivous!

[Ronald]

Originally Posted by Rex_Admin

While the replies are great I am still confused on where the OT fits into a Christian thought. I dunno maybe it's just me.

To most of the mainline Christian denominations, the Tanach was nailed to the cross.
They believe they are forgiven of their Past, Present and Future sins, it is impossible for them to sin. They are saved by the grace of God. Then if one turns from grace to do one commandment, he is liable to obey them all and has fallen from grace. The Old Testament for them is moot.
Now! Do you get it??? They're wrong! But this is their belief.