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Old 09-27-2008, 12:21 PM
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You've just gone and done what many people say Christians do with the bible. Some people will claim that Christians have heard their preacher say over and over again that here is what is true. And they know, that their preachers know what they're talking about. But they haven't searched for any evidence themselves, they've just taken their preacher's word for it.
Well coming on here in the first place is searching for evidence. I asked Christians to provide me with some evidence. I am now searching for evidence, that is the difference between me and those Christians who listen to their preachers.
I took his word for it because I know he would not lie over something like this and I have confidence in him, due to the fact that he has absolutely crushed every theist I have seen him debate with.

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If you haven't searched for evidence, how can you state there is none?
I haven't said that there is definitely no evidence. I said it "looks" like there is none (based on my search so far). Which leads me back to the original request. Please Christians give me some evidence. Surely there is some?
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:30 PM
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Well coming on here in the first place is searching for evidence. I asked Christians to provide me with some evidence. I am now searching for evidence, that is the difference between me and those Christians who listen to their preachers.
I still don't see much difference..

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I took his word for it because I know he would not lie over something like this and I have confidence in him, due to the fact that he has absolutely crushed every theist I have seen him debate with.
Just as some theists feel the opposite way about people they consider to be an authoritative source on whatever they consider the truth.

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I haven't said that there is definitely no evidence. I said it "looks" like there is none (based on my search so far). Which leads me back to the original request. Please Christians give me some evidence. Surely there is some?
To be honest, it sounds to me more like you're trying to show that there isn't any, rather than actually trying to find some.

But then, perhaps I'm wrong about that...
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I have evidence for me, undeniable personal experience, but I don't expect that to sway you...
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I think I would better answer the question had I not been called an idiot for following God.

Actually, I have no evidence that would satisfy a nonbeliever of God. Most atheists don't believe simply because there is no tangible evidence (at least to them).

If I say that our existence itself is proof, I would get laughed at by any nonbeliever. If I say that they way the earth adapts to different temperatures(seasons changing) is proof, I would also get laughed at. I think you are getting the point. Both of those arguments can also be explained scientifically, as you and I know very well.
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Old 09-27-2008, 02:49 PM
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Think I got what I was looking for. Looks like there is no evidence.

Thanks.
I've suggested a book for you to pick up, so it's a bit early to be so dismissive, isn't it?
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Old 09-27-2008, 02:50 PM
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BTW? Which version of christianity are you ... umm I mean... was Dawkins speaking of?
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BTW? Which version of christianity are you ... umm I mean... was Dawkins speaking of?
Just FYI and FWIW, most atheist philosophers distance themselves from the rantings of Dawkins. He's kind of like the John Hagee of atheism. Atheists agree with his overall opinion by and large but blush when they hear or read the guy hold forth in one of his diatribes. There are much better atheists to read. I recommend just about anything by J. L. Mackie (RIP).
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I think I would better answer the question had I not been called an idiot for following God.

Actually, I have no evidence that would satisfy a nonbeliever of God. Most atheists don't believe simply because there is no tangible evidence (at least to them).

If I say that our existence itself is proof, I would get laughed at by any nonbeliever. If I say that they way the earth adapts to different temperatures(seasons changing) is proof, I would also get laughed at. I think you are getting the point. Both of those arguments can also be explained scientifically, as you and I know very well.
Well why not try and explain that evidence to me?

And I was not calling you an idiot. At least I thought I wasn't. The people I was calling idiots are those who say they believe in something, when they have absolutely no evidence. I'm talking about the people who do not question their faith, who deny facts and who dont even look for evidence. I'm pretty sure it was you that said in another thread that you would not believe without sufficient evidence. So maybe you do have evidence. Like I said, please try to explain it to me. And sorry if I offend you, but in my opinion, if someone will think that something actually exists, without having any evidence/proof, then they are a complete and utter idiot.
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Holdem, I will give you one proof that Christianity is NOT true, and this will answer your question too.

The proof is: Flat Earth

Christianity cannot be the infallible word of god with such a huge fallbility.

Do you accept my proof?

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