Mohamed's will for 'Power'

[Right_Path]

When I asked non-Muslims, mainly on this forum, 'Why would Mohamed claim prophecy?

People who doubt Mohamed's message, and thus reject Islam, replied with no evidence: ''Power''.

Consequently, this raises a few more questions: and I think there will be more to come

1-Prophet Mohamed PBUH recieved his first revelation from God at the age of 40.

Does it make sense that a man(cowboy), who is looking for power, commences with his plan after the end of his youth?

2-Mohamed's uncle Abou-Taleb was a very respected man in Mecca(head of the clan of Banu Hashem), yet he deemed a great deal of love to Mohamed.

So given both assets, If Mohamed was looking for power, he would have opted to take advantage of Abou-Taleb's authority rather than with the help of a kid (Ali), a slave (Bilal) and a friend (Abou-Bakr).

However, when Abou-Taleb(a pagan) offered Prophet Mohammed at the beginning of his message while he was still alone and weak, and Muslims were so few and poor, to make him the King of ALL arabs and to give him money, as much as he wants, and give him the most beautiful women in arabia, just to do them one favor, which is to stop spreading this message called Islam.

What did prophet Mohammed say?

He said by God, ''if they put the sun on my right hand and the moon on my left, i would never give up this message till Allah spread it or i die while trying to do so.''

(Credit to TashaN for making us aware of this)

3-Mohamed could have had all Christians by his side with a single word, if he only admitted that Jesus was the son of God.

If he was aiming for absolute power, why hasn't he done that?

Finally, watch this video...till the end please

YouTube - Was Mohammad a true prophet of God? Unrefutable proof!

[darkendless]

3 - thats a huge assumption. Christianity would not bow down to some red-headed man from the east because "he had a revelation of God." There has always been a stark contrast between east and west, i think your assumption there is unfounded.

I'll be honest, its very difficult to speak my mind here because there are 100 quotes from the Quran you could use to contradict my words. The fact of the matter is the whole arguement is based on how much faith in the Quran you have. Since i have none, i'm skeptical of the Prophet Mohammed and the "glamorous" man he is portrayed to be. I've studied too many ancient people to think that any text could be 100% truthful. I have nothing against Islam, i just think you're over-assuming a tad.

[gnostic]

Originally Posted by right_path

Does it make sense that a man(cowboy), who is looking for power, commences with his plan after the end of his youth?

So what?

Caesar didn't begin his quest for power until he was 40, and he didn't achieve ultimate power until near the end, and it was short-lived.

I don't see what individual seeking power and ambition has to do with age.

With a claim to prophethood, you get ultimate power, both politically and militarily. And it seemed that he seek both.

[Right_Path]

Originally Posted by darkendless

3 - thats a huge assumption. Christianity would not bow down to some red-headed man from the east because "he had a revelation of God."

Thats true, but not if he told them what they wanted to hear.

[Right_Path]

Originally Posted by gnostic

So what?

Caesar didn't begin his quest for power until he was 40, and he didn't achieve ultimate power until near the end, and it was short-lived.

I don't see what individual seeking power and ambition has to do with age.

With a claim to prophethood, you get ultimate power, both politically and militarily. And it seemed that he seek both.

First...Why did you focus on this one, why did you ignore the first two questions?

Second...the Caesar example is really implausible because:

1-Caesar's political career could not have started at 40, the man was already born as the son of a senator.

2-Caesar achieved his objective (power) using power, he is tagged as a ROMAN DICTATOR for God's sake!...Mohamed PBUH is know as a prophet.

I don't have to state Caesar's biography and make comparisons with prophet Mohamed PBUH, but I think you should try it.

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by darkendless

3 - thats a huge assumption. Christianity would not bow down to some red-headed man from the east because "he had a revelation of God."

Well, they did ask him to follow some of what they are teaching and it would have been a great chance for Prophet Mohammed to grab, but he sticked to his original teachings and they agreed to disagree. Although later on many jews and christians evantually became Muslims, but not all of them of course.

There has always been a stark contrast between east and west, i think your assumption there is unfounded.

Hmmm, Jesus as a western man. Cool huh? there was no east and west. It was all about the east.

I'll be honest, its very difficult to speak my mind here because there are 100 quotes from the Quran you could use to contradict my words. The fact of the matter is the whole arguement is based on how much faith in the Quran you have. Since i have none, i'm skeptical of the Prophet Mohammed and the "glamorous" man he is portrayed to be. I've studied too many ancient people to think that any text could be 100% truthful. I have nothing against Islam, i just think you're over-assuming a tad.

I see, so you have no more arguments but you still doubt it for no reason?!

[sindbad5]

guys, it's all about faith, sure, prophet Mohamed (PBUH) as a human being is the most honored and most honest man,
we can list tenth of incidents that show his virtues, as well as jesus, moses, and all prophets.
Prophets don't seek being prophets, they are charged, they are put to bear the responsibility of delivering the message to people,
and what a message !,
it's a magnificent thing, need men like those determined faithful men,
do the history tells us about any prophet that withdraw and left the thing? never

maybe the question is; is islam a true religion or not?
ok, leave all about arguments and debates, just read in islam, get a serious book about islam, and get quran translated to your language and read,
that's it.

at the end, allah say to prophet Mohamed in quran:
"Verily! You (O Muhammad SAW) guide not whom you like, but Allâh guides whom He wills. And He knows best those who are the guided" (Al-Qasas, 56)

[darkendless]

Originally Posted by TashaN

Well, they did ask him to follow some of what they are teaching and it would have been a great chance for Prophet Mohammed to grab, but he sticked to his original teachings and they agreed to disagree. Although later on many jews and christians evantually became Muslims, but not all of them of course.

Hmmm, Jesus as a western man. Cool huh? there was no east and west. It was all about the east.

I see, so you have no more arguments but you still doubt it for no reason?!

I don't mean Jesus was a westerner, where did you pull that from. I mean stark contrast in beliefs and lifestyles, i'm doubtful that Mohammed could have had such influence. I'm talking about a little later on than the formations, around the time of the Crusades and since then. Do you honestly think the Christians would have thrown down the power they gained following Constantine in order to become Muslims also?

I don't present arguements because there's no point. I'm not interested in a 100 Quranic theories on Mohammed, so i'm just going to repsect your position.

[kai]

Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and others have greatness thrust upon them
(Shakespeare)
there is no doubt surely that he was a very powerul and influential man ?

[Right_Path]

Originally Posted by kai

Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and others have greatness thrust upon them
(Shakespeare)
there is no doubt surely that he was a very powerul and influential man ?

Again you are mentioning power

Perhaps powrful was not the best term to describe Mohamed PBUH, yes he had power and yes he was influential, but it was all God-given, it was all related to his message.

Before receiving revelation from God, Mohamed was only known as the ''HONEST AND TRUSTWORTHY'' among his people, there were no signs of a man who is seeking power and control.

[17:74] If it were not that we strengthened you, you almost leaned towards them just a little bit.
[17:75] Had you done that, we would have doubled the retribution for you in this life, and after death, and you would have found no one to help you against us.