The one true faith! (beliefs, hell, agnostic, God, religions)

[michel]

couldn't agree more, Sunstone; I belive that the purpose of life is for each one of us to find his own way to the ultimate salvation; if there really was only one path, it would be boring!!!!!!!!!!!

[chuck010342]

Originally Posted by oracle

Yes it is, but like I said after that sentence, it's a hard concept to understand.

if your statements have countradictions then your being illogical.

Originally Posted by oracle

God is truth, but God cannot be fully grasped. Although we are aware of God, and he makes himself known through His word, God exists outside the human mind and therefore cannot fully be percieved. He is ever incomprehensible. We simply know Him as the Father.

your a mystic so be very careful when you say WE. I see God as a "holy father" if you want to get specific. I agree with the rest of your statement.

Originally Posted by oracle

Yes, we can never trust our own minds fully due to our limitations.

Which is where faith comes into play.

Originally Posted by oracle

Nothing is ever as it seems,

I disagree with you here, To use an anology. The cave man discovered this. FIRE HOT. Fire burns and it hurts that is as it seems.

Originally Posted by oracle

and what if all that you deemed to be truth is just an illusion?

You have been watching the matrix way to much . I would do nothing different then what I do now.

Originally Posted by oracle

Your perception is your ultimate reality. However your reality is not my reality

we have the same reality Fire is hot ice is cold and so on.

Originally Posted by oracle

You are trying to be politically correct. Forget politics, you know the meaning to this sentence already.

No I'm not what I'm doing is making a point here. it is my philosophy that I look down on political correctness. An indian is an indian and so forth. And I am using logic to show you what I mean.

Originally Posted by oracle

Let me give you an analogy. Say that a child percieves the red hot coils on a burning stove as "pleasing to the eye". However this child has never encountered anything like that before. So truth here, is that this red coil is harmless. The child then touches the coil out of curiousity, and gets burned, and by this painful experience the child learns never to touch it again. So here, truth changes, because the value placed on this red coil changes from harmless to harmful.

Thats true but the indiciation of pain is always there no matter who touches the stove. Pain is always the result- that is constat.

Originally Posted by oracle

So the fact is, is that truth is always changing, but it is our learning experiences that changes truth. therefore, because of our limitations, All truths can never be grasped, but the journey for truth is one without an end, but is an endless sea of new beginnings.

No it isn't Fire is hot. I bang my head against a wall it hurts. Somethings are constant and some are not.

Originally Posted by oracle

Therefore, there is All truth some of which can be grasped, and yet there can never be one true faith, because truth is forever changing and evolving, and no two persons percieve truth alike.

Only somethings change not everthing does. The one true faith does not change because the source of the one true faith doesn't change.

Originally Posted by oracle

If we were not bound by our limitations, then there could be one true faith because we could grasp ALL truth.

The source of the one true faith isn't human.

Originally Posted by oracle

True condemnation is the conformity to ignorance, and by believing in "one true faith", we limit ourselves to one perspective.

The only types of faith I condem are those that are illogical or those that are evil to give you two examples I would have to say Hinduism and the Nazi.

Originally Posted by oracle

We are limited, but we limit ourselves even further by believing in "one true faith" and deeming all others as having no truth.

There are some truths in other views but not the whole truth.

Originally Posted by oracle

My wisdom is from grasping all faiths and examining the square from all sides, I do not limit myself. Although I am very opinionated and stronly voice my opinions, I am very open to the fact that I may be entirely wrong. It is the ego that causes this downfall and binds us in ignorance (I'm write and you're wrong).

Just two thoughts on this paragraph. I am like you I have investigated other faiths and have found my conclusion that the one I follow is the most logical to believe it. I'm not blind in my faith because I am open to critizism within my faith but I also strongly disagree with other world views for the reasons I stated earlier. Andd I am open to the fact that I could be wrong.

[Pilgrim of this Reality]

Granted this is from the New Testament:
"There is one body and one Spirit, just as your were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Ephesians 4:4-6

" Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way whihc leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matthew 7: 13-14

Ok, I know that biblical verses won't convince everyone; I believe in the New Testament and constantly question that belief to see if its true:
"Test all things; hold fast what is good." 1 Thessalonians

Ultimately, we wont know who is right or wrong until we each face death. Unfortunately, by then it could be too late for all we know.

[oracle]

Originally Posted by Pilgrim of this Reality

Granted this is from the New Testament:
"There is one body and one Spirit, just as your were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Ephesians 4:4-6

He is not talking about one true faith, he is talking about unification. All mankind is unified through the spirit of God.

"who is above all, and through all, and in you all".

God is this connection. To believe in one true faith in disregard of all others is egoistic and self-dividing, the exact opposite of what this passage means. He is talking about unification, oneness. One body and One spirit. We are all made one through the blood of Christ, that is the spirit of God. The blood, the water, and the spirit all mean the same thing.

[may]

In his famous Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said: "Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it." (Matthew 7:13, 14) The Bible explicitly states that there is "one faith." (Ephesians 4:5) Clearly, many who are on the "broad" road have a religion. But they do not have the "one faith." Since there is only one true form of worship, those who desire to find that true faith will have to seek it out.

[oracle]

Originally Posted by may

In his famous Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said: "Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it." (Matthew 7:13, 14) The Bible explicitly states that there is "one faith." (Ephesians 4:5) Clearly, many who are on the "broad" road have a religion. But they do not have the "one faith." Since there is only one true form of worship, those who desire to find that true faith will have to seek it out.

Nope, still not talking about one true faith. More like one true reality, that being a unified totality because God is infinitely everything and everywhere. True worship is not physical, because external workings mean nothing. A person can worship in flesh, but be far from God in spirit. It is not the external workings that constitute the verdict, but the internal motives of a person's heart. A person sins before the sin is even committed. That is because the hidden agenda and motive for all sin is selfishness, which is pre-meditated in a person's mind and heart. Being selfish or egoistic is self-destructive. To believe in one true faith is ultimately egositic. The "ONE faith" he is speaking of is unification, that we are all unified through the spirit of God. Several people come to this conclusion regardless of legalistic dogma, or what religion they follow, or what walk of life. They come to this conclusion because they seek it, and only those who seek this truth ultimately find it. The people who are selfish and egoistic are blind of this reality and are the ones going into the wide gate that leads to self destruction. These are people who worship in flesh, but their hearts are far away from God, ultimately because they don't even know who God truely is. They isolate themselves from ONEness by being selfish.

This is how I describe the one faith metaphorically. It is like an expert swordsman, who in a battle puts down his sword even before knifepoint, who instead of embracing his own sword learns to embrace everything around him. In the end, such a thing becomes more powerful than any sword. The sword becomes obsolete because it only causes human suffering and bloodshed. In the end, our true enemy is ourself. The sword represents his selfishness, his ego, and his pride. The suffering and bloodshed are the inflictions that we cause upon each other. In the end, it's not about I, or me me me. It's about we, it's about us. That is more logical than any legalistic dogma.

We are strings that hit seperate notes. All stroked brings beauty, sounds soothing to the soul. If you break all but one string, nothing's left to play, everything is dull.

Altough we hit seperate notes, we are all strings, we are all people. That in a way makes us inseperable.

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by chuck010342

Just two thoughts on this paragraph. I am like you I have investigated other faiths and have found my conclusion that the one I follow is the most logical to believe it. I'm not blind in my faith because I am open to critizism within my faith but I also strongly disagree with other world views for the reasons I stated earlier. Andd I am open to the fact that I could be wrong.

HA!

[may]

Jesus Christ definitely foretold that his one true congregation would be restored during what he called a conclusion of a system of things. (Matthew 13:30, 39) The fulfillment of Bible prophecies shows that we are now living in that time. (Matthew 24:3-35) That being true, each of us needs to ask, ‘Where is that one true church?’ It ought to become more and more clearly identifiable.

[Pilgrim of this Reality]

Good point , oracle. But if that is true why does God warn of false teachings if everyone who is proclaims christianity is going to heaven but just on a different path? 2 Timothy 4:1-5; 1 Timothy 4: 1-5; Colossians 2:1-10; 1 John 4: 1-6;

Division is wrong. 1 Corinthians 1: 10-17.

Lets look at it this way. If we wrong someone do we walk up and tell them, " I have made a mistake. I am going to do this and this so you will then forgive me." ? Not usually. We usually go and ask that person what we can do to rectify the issue. How is this any different from our dealings with God?

[oracle]

Originally Posted by may

Jesus Christ definitely foretold that his one true congregation would be restored during what he called a conclusion of a system of things. (Matthew 13:30, 39) The fulfillment of Bible prophecies shows that we are now living in that time. (Matthew 24:3-35) That being true, each of us needs to ask, ‘Where is that one true church?’ It ought to become more and more clearly identifiable.

I understand what you are saying. I believe those of this faith are those who come from the whole, not those who are self-divided. There is a shift within human consciousness. Within the next century, schisms will begin to reverse themselves. Mankind will be more unified, more loving, more understanding, more knowledgable of the true knowledge of God: that God is a connection that unifies all things.