The one true faith! (beliefs, hell, agnostic, God, religions)

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by chuck010342

Ahh relativism my arch enemy. I believe that relativism is a type of philosophy where there are no absolutes.

What would you say about a philosphy that reality is absolute, but our methods and ablility to discern reality do not allow us to know with absolute certainty when we have absolute truths about reality? Is that by your definition of relativism a relativistic concept or an absolute concept, or something else?

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by chuck010342

So I would have to argue from the laws of logic.

One such law is the law of non-countradiction.

How can two faiths be true if they countradict each other?

here's something for ya Chuck:
How are we to know what G-d wants from us? Many religions claim to be the "truth" and divinly inspired but i think we've made it pretty apparent on this forum that no one here can truley say they know what G-d wants of us, so how can we say that we know what is "true" in the realm of the Divine.
I say your premise is flawed based upon quantum physics and the "Schrodinger Cat".

The physicist Erwin Schrödinger devised a 'thought experiment' to illustrate quantum superposition in everyday terms. Imagine putting a cat in a box that you subsequently seal so that you can't see what's happening inside. Sharing the box with the cat is a mechanism for releasing deadly cyanide gas, triggered by the decay of a radioactive atom. Because the decay of individual radioactive atoms is unpredictable, you - from your point of view, outside the box - cannot, at any given moment, know whether the cyanide has been released, or whether your cat is alive or dead. As far as you are concerned, the cat is simultaneously alive and dead

http://www.nature.com/news/1999/9910...014-11_pf.html
http://www.phobe.com/s_cat/s_cat.html
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definit...341236,00.html
Just a few links to the idea

if a single particle can exist in multiple places at once why does one faith have to be THE true faith and all others false?


but then again i could be totally off base what does everyone think??????

[chuck010342]

Originally Posted by jewscout

interesting...then how do we determine which is "true" and which isn't?

The first thing we have to do is to make sure that it passes its own test so to speak. David Hume made himself known to be not as smart as he thought when he gave the famous statement

"The only thing we know is what can be tested using mathmatics or Emphrical science."

Well that statement does not pass its own test because we cannot test that statement using mathmatics or emphrical science.

The second thing we have to do is take a statement and see if it is logically possible.

The third thing we have to do is to take a statement and to see if it is arguable.

[chuck010342]

Originally Posted by Sunstone

reality is absolute, but our methods and ablility to discern reality do not allow us to know with absolute certainty when we have absolute truths about reality?

This is kinda hard to determine if it is relative or absolute because this philosophy is saying two things and it is supporting both relativism and Absolutism.

What I would say is this: If this philosophy is true then lets test it. If our ability to dicern reality is limited then how do we know that realtiy is absolute?

I would say that this is relativism if I had to give it a name. (does this philosophy have a name? I would love to know it?)

[chuck010342]

Originally Posted by jewscout

But which is it?

I think I'm really gonna make you angry but if you must know

"Because God said so"

Maybe you don't understand God or his word?

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by chuck010342

I think I'm really gonna make you angry but if you must know

"Because God said so"

Maybe you don't understand G-d or his word?

And you do Chuck?

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by chuck010342

I would say that this is relativism if I had to give it a name. (does this philosophy have a name? I would love to know it?)

I wouldn't call it relativism, but I don't know of a name for the philosophy -- if it is indeed a philosophy.

[chuck010342]

Originally Posted by jewscout

And you do Chuck?

I understand what was revealed. And Didn't you post something about there being countradictions within the bible? I can't seem to find that post anywhere.

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by chuck010342

I understand what was revealed. And Didn't you post something about there being countradictions within the bible? I can't seem to find that post anywhere.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum...1435#post71435

[chuck010342]

Originally Posted by jewscout

here's something for ya Chuck:
How are we to know what G-d wants from us? Many religions claim to be the "truth" and divinly inspired but i think we've made it pretty apparent on this forum that no one here can truley say they know what G-d wants of us, so how can we say that we know what is "true" in the realm of the Divine.

If you don't know what God wants from us then why do you call him G-d?

This is where a good read on Thomas Aquanis can help. If faith is more powerful then reason, then how do we know wich faith we trust. We use logic and reason to determine which faith we follow.

Originally Posted by jewscout

if a single particle can exist in multiple places at once why does one faith have to be THE true faith and all others false?

A single partice is not the same as a philosophy or a religion so thats a false analogy.

Originally Posted by jewscout

but then again i could be totally off base what does everyone think??????

When your confused and don't know what to do or whom to trust I think of this. I think of Matthew 18:3
And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
If you have to trust somebody I suggest you trust the one who did more for mankind then any other man.