The one true faith! (beliefs, hell, agnostic, God, religions)

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by chuck010342

I guess I can use this thread as my "letter to the relativist/agnostic thread"

You'd do well to address them separately.

Originally Posted by chuck010342

What kind of evidence would you like ...?

Verifiable and not necessitating confirmation bias to be deemed probative.

[may]

Originally Posted by jewscout

I hear certain people talk about having "truth". Is there one true faith for all of mankind? If so what evidence can you show that this is so? (and if you give me the, because G-d said so thing don't bother, anyone can say that...give me something more)

"WHAT is truth?" (John 18:38) That question, cynically posed by Pontius Pilate nearly 2,000 years ago, implies that truth is too elusive to be pursued. Many today would agree. The very nature of truth is under attack. You may have heard it said that everyone makes his own truth, or that truth is relative, or that truth is ever changing. Such reasoning is flawed. The very goal of research and education is to learn the facts, the truth, about the world in which we live. Truth is not a matter of personal opinion. For example, either the human soul is immortal or it is not. Either Satan exists or he does not. Either there is a purpose to life or there is not. In each case, there can be only one correct answer. One is true, and the other is false; both cannot be true.

[cardero]

Duet. 32:8 Respectfully, I suggest that the question is (cognitively) meaningless. What the hell is a "true faith"?

Yes, I have to agree faith is neither TRUST or TRUTH.

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by may

"WHAT is truth?" (John 18:38) That question, cynically posed by Pontius Pilate nearly 2,000 years ago, implies that truth is too elusive to be pursued. Many today would agree. The very nature of truth is under attack. You may have heard it said that everyone makes his own truth, or that truth is relative, or that truth is ever changing. Such reasoning is flawed. The very goal of research and education is to learn the facts, the truth, about the world in which we live. Truth is not a matter of personal opinion. For example, either the human soul is immortal or it is not. Either Satan exists or he does not. Either there is a purpose to life or there is not. In each case, there can be only one correct answer. One is true, and the other is false; both cannot be true.

There are some pretty profound answers to the question, "What is truth?", but those answers don't necessarily apply to the often peculiar ways that the word "truth" is used in religious contexes.

For instance, the way the word "truth" is used in science and formal philosophy seems to be more clearly explored and defined than the way it is used in religion.

IF we were to apply the same high standards of science and formal philosophy to religion, we would have to ask whether questions such as "Is the soul immortal" were meaningful questions at all.

[chuck010342]

Originally Posted by jewscout

What kind of evidence hmmmm...i don't know, aside for the "because G-d said so" what have you got Chuck? I'm open to whatever...

Well your not open to whatever because you rulled out the bible. Jesus said "I am the way the light and the truth." But this statement is rulled out because I can't use the bible. The bible is where I get the "because God said so"

So I would have to argue from the laws of logic.

One such law is the law of non-countradiction.

How can two faiths be true if they countradict eachother?

[chuck010342]

Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

You'd do well to address them separately.

Verifiable and not necessitating confirmation bias to be deemed probative.

what do you mean?

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by chuck010342

Well your not open to whatever because you rulled out the bible. Jesus said "I am the way the light and the truth." But this statement is rulled out because I can't use the bible. The bible is where I get the "because God said so"

So I would have to argue from the laws of logic.

One such law is the law of non-countradiction.

How can two faiths be true if they countradict eachother?

interesting...then how do we determine which is "true" and which isn't?

[chuck010342]

Originally Posted by Sunstone

Before you get too far into "relativism", Chuck, you might begin by defining what you believe "relativism" to be.

Ahh relativism my arch enemy. I believe that relativism is a type of philosophy where there are no absolutes.

[chuck010342]

Originally Posted by may

"WHAT is truth?" (John 18:38) That question, cynically posed by Pontius Pilate nearly 2,000 years ago, implies that truth is too elusive to be pursued. Many today would agree. The very nature of truth is under attack. You may have heard it said that everyone makes his own truth, or that truth is relative, or that truth is ever changing. Such reasoning is flawed. The very goal of research and education is to learn the facts, the truth, about the world in which we live. Truth is not a matter of personal opinion. For example, either the human soul is immortal or it is not. Either Satan exists or he does not. Either there is a purpose to life or there is not. In each case, there can be only one correct answer. One is true, and the other is false; both cannot be true.

THANK YOU

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by may

"WHAT is truth?" (John 18:38) That question, cynically posed by Pontius Pilate nearly 2,000 years ago, implies that truth is too elusive to be pursued. Many today would agree. The very nature of truth is under attack. You may have heard it said that everyone makes his own truth, or that truth is relative, or that truth is ever changing. Such reasoning is flawed. The very goal of research and education is to learn the facts, the truth, about the world in which we live. Truth is not a matter of personal opinion. For example, either the human soul is immortal or it is not. Either Satan exists or he does not. Either there is a purpose to life or there is not. In each case, there can be only one correct answer. One is true, and the other is false; both cannot be true.

But which is it?