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Old 09-06-2008, 02:35 PM
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Don't you think non-believers who strive to improve the conditions on this earth out of empathy and compassion for their fellow humanity goes beyond mere selfish carnality?
Yes but it could be that helping others is just another way of making 'us' feel great about ourselves.
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Old 09-06-2008, 02:35 PM
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My relationship with Christ through his Holy Spirit is more real then this conversation with you, but again one will never expereince this encounter from the outside looking in.
I have been on the inside of the group and believed myself to have a relationship with Jesus Christ, but I came to the conclusion that it was all self-induced. I had no actual relationship but had tricked my mind into believing that I did. I prayed, prayed, and prayed....and prayed. And nothing. I searched for the answers to my questions. Still nothing. So instead of continuing the trick that had been played on me I stepped outside and had a better view of things..
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Old 09-06-2008, 02:37 PM
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Yes but it could be that helping others is just another way of making 'us' feel great about ourselves.
So we lack the capacity to care unless it's being beamed down from the clouds. Got'cha.

I would like to share a quote if I could: "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." -Albert Einstein

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Old 09-06-2008, 03:49 PM
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So why do you go on?
I live to die and it, will be GLORIOUS! Lady Fate thinks she can do me in but only Death's chilling grasp will claim my life. I only wish I knew how it was going to happen. Maybe I'll die an old decaying man struggling for every breath I take or perhaps a bus will hit me crossing the street tomorrow. It's sooooo exciting!! I can hardly wait!!!

Why do you go on?
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Old 09-06-2008, 03:53 PM
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Yes but it could be that helping others is just another way of making 'us' feel great about ourselves.

You must be a very selfish person to have such an outlook.
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Old 09-06-2008, 03:58 PM
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So we lack the capacity to care unless it's being beamed down from the clouds. Got'cha.

I would like to share a quote if I could: "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." -Albert Einstein

Not all people who do good have a selfish agenda. But it is a possibility.
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Old 09-06-2008, 04:00 PM
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Not all people who do good have a selfish agenda. But it is a possibility.

Does it make a differences at all? Why someone is doing good. Is it not enough that good is being done?
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Not all people who do good have a selfish agenda. But it is a possibility.
Of course, but likewise people can commit acts of deception and injustice under the guise of godliness.
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