If Evolution, than We Are One Big accident

[UnTheist]

And I can respect your opinion.

So you agree that we don't need to deny evolution or God in order to enjoy our lives?

[stacey bo bacey]

Originally Posted by roli

I felt the same way at one point.
You don't understand the things christians do, say or think. because,
Paul says, the natural man, that is the man that knows not God receives not the things of God neither can he know the things of God because they are spirutally discerned, that is only by His Holy Spirit can they know them.
If man does not see their sin ,they will not see their need to believe in a savior.

...but the reason why we go on is to fulfill God's plan of being lights in this dark world ,where, immorality, sensuality, greed, and every evil work exists.

Our hope is not in this life ,but that which awaits us, we are ambassadors, representitives of God on earth, strangers in a foreign land ,this is not our home ,we have been called to reconcile man to God ,through Jesus Christ.

If it's just for this life we have Jesus ,we should be pitied by all men, our hope and assurance is in the next life.

Meh. I know this question is moot since I realize what Christians believe, but why do people insist on living for another life? You are living this one right here, where there are real and existing consequences. It just makes more sense to me to focus on the here and now........but whatevs!

[roli]

Originally Posted by UnityNow101

You say that we are one big accident, which may be true. Isn't God also a big accident? Do we know where he came from? Didn't he have to have an origin just like the Universe? Who created God? He seems to spring up from nothing much in the same way that the Universe did.....

Your evidence for God being eternal defies the laws of the Universe. Everything has a beginning, and ultimately, an end....

I did'nt say we were one big accident ,i said if evolution is, than an accident we must be, because it all came about by mere random chance.

As finite beings ,we assume that God must be created because logic insists upon such a hypothesis, but God claims to be immortal, eternal as he created us to be ,but according to scripture and the heart of all us ,we have sinned and are therfore subject to judgement.

Your conscience if not hard should attest to this truth, when you do wrong, you intuitively know it's wrong.

I or no man should attempt to convince you of this, that is what conscience is placed in all of us for, "con" means with " science" means knowledge

[Father Heathen]

Originally Posted by roli

If Evolution is our origin than by all intents and purposes
We have no purpose, we'll cause no lasting effect and in the grand scheme of things your life is meaningless.

So why do you go on?

We forge our own purpose and destiny, which is far more noble than being a pawn in some self-glorifying deity's game.

Besides, wouldn't god himself be a meaningless accident?

[roli]

Originally Posted by stacey bo bacey

Meh. I know this question is moot since I realize what Christians believe, but why do people insist on living for another life? You are living this one right here, where there are real and existing consequences. It just makes more sense to me to focus on the here and now........but whatevs!

It's not that we are so heavenly minded that we are no earthly good.
It's because we are heavenly minded, fixing our eyes on things above, not on things below that we do earthly good, or so we ,as christians should.
And when I say good ,I don't mean live according to some moral standard that I concocted or think to be relatively permissive.

There is a standard in which I speak that while deposited in earthly beings is of heavenly origin, that is the moral law that crosses the bounds of time,history, colour,creed,sex, or race and is deposited in the hearts of mankind.
But the sensual desires and gradifying pleasures and allures of this life working in the carnal nature of man, violate those moral codes and are therfore subject for judgement

I believe in the law of reaping and sowing, it's a principal the bible & Jesus speaks of and those of us who violate, said laws of his will suffer punishment, but it will be different for those who have trusted in Christ for their salvation and those who have not. That does not give a christian license to sin ,but true Christians sense the conviction of their sin repent and ask for forgiveness and he restores us completely.

The here and now for a christian is serving,living and obeying what Christ taught us, mankind without God,trust in their own abilities, sensualities,feelings and indulgences and console themselves in the fact that they are trying to be good ,but Jesus says noen are righteous ,all ahve sinned and need Christ, for it is in this that the carnal nature of man is changed and when that happens to one who trusts in Christ, then you have encountered God and the things you once questioned you begin to have revelation of.

It's a supernatural event that occurs in the heart of a person and words are not adequate to describe.

[Nehustan]

Depends what you mean by 'chance'. It has always appeared to me that to study biology (i.e. evolutionary biology) without recourse to other fields of science can give an equally narrow perspective as say religious dogma. For instance if one looks at adaption and evolution in microcosm it certainly appears to be random. But how random is random, and what exactly do we mean by our use of the word.

If you look at physics, it would appear that we manage to develop mathematical formula to explain phenomena. We appear to be collecting rather a large amount of data as we plod along. A universe which seemingly operates within at least mathematical parameters, or may be explained (within the limits of our current paradigm) by such, does not correspond to the broad use of 'random' to my mind.

Even if we may not be able to predict every phenomena mathematically, these same phenomena may be explained mathematically after the event. It seems very much that Maths gives us a language for understanding the regulation of the universe.

[roli]

Originally Posted by Father Heathen

We forge our own purpose and destiny, which is far more noble than being a pawn in some self-glorifying deity's game.

Besides, wouldn't god himself be a meaningless accident?

My relationship with Christ through his Holy Spirit is more real then this conversation with you, but again one will never expereince this encounter from the outside looking in.

So I undesatnd your views,it was'nt long ago I felt the same way, but when one humbles himself , realises his depravity in the carnal nature and calls out to God for mercy, will one understand this whole Christian concept.

The essence ,although a profound statement of Christianity is" Christ in us the hope of Glory" this was the mystery hid down through the ages, but now has been revealed in this time to his saints.

It's not something to be understood ,but rather something to be expereinced.

[roli]

Originally Posted by UnTheist

And I can respect your opinion.

So you agree that we don't need to deny evolution or God in order to enjoy our lives?

One can enjoy his life living according to his carnal pleasures, but that I must freely confess ,by my own personal expereince has been proven to me to be shallow ,futile and vain.

The life I now live in Christ gives untold riches in the area of hope and peace that the world cannot possible concieve in their natural state, only through the Holy Spirit will one truly Jesus is alive and well on planet earth.

[roli]

Originally Posted by Nehustan

Depends what you mean by 'chance'. It has always appeared to me that to study biology (i.e. evolutionary biology) without recourse to other fields of science can give an equally narrow perspective as say religious dogma. For instance if one looks at adaption and evolution in microcosm it certainly appears to be random. But how random is random, and what exactly do we mean by our use of the word.

If you look at physics, it would appear that we manage to develop mathematical formula to explain phenomena. We appear to be collecting rather a large amount of data as we plod along. A universe which seemingly operates within at least mathematical parameters, or may be explained (within the limits of our current paradigm) by such, does not correspond to the broad use of 'random' to my mind.

Even if we may not be able to predict every phenomena mathematically, these same phenomena may be explained mathematically after the event. It seems very much that Maths gives us a language for understanding the regulation of the universe.

I'll be back later ,i must go ,i have an appointment ASAP!!

I will respond at a future time, sorry !!