LDS Members Should Vote for Obama

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by idea

It looks like Obama was born in Kenya not America.

So according to you, the Democratic leadership is stupid enough that they would let the entire primary process go by without vetting the candidates to make sure their nomination would be constitutional. Obama was born in Hawaii. He has the birth certificate to prove it. These slanderous allegations are xenophobic crap.

[idea]

Originally Posted by lilithu

Yes, so do I. I lived in New York when it happened. I visited the Twin Towers when they were standing tall, and the smoldering site after wards. Numerous times. I have friends who were directly affected. I still remember the smell of burning jet fuel that lingered over the city for months. To this day, I cry when I see the Manhattan skyline and what's not there. So I do NOT!! appreciate your flippantly using pictures of the tragedy to further your insane hawkish agenda.

I remember where I was too. I was teaching a mixed class that contained Arabic students. It was a lab, everyone had it up on their computers. I don't hate Arabs, they invited me to their last Ramadan feast and I went…. Other students however hung up a sign stating “go home *******” it was rather touchy. I canceled class out of respect for all students who were from NY.

Do you think we should fight against terrorists? or do you think we should not fight at all? What is your solution?

[idea]

Originally Posted by lilithu

Obama was born in Hawaii.

The jury is still out.

"Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.

In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.


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[mball1297]

Originally Posted by idea

I remember where I was too. I was teaching a mixed class that contained Arabic students. It was a lab, everyone had it up on their computers. I don't hate Arabs, they invited me to their last Ramadan feast and I went…. Other students however hung up a sign stating “go home *******” it was rather touchy. I canceled class out of respect for all students who were from NY.

Do you think we should fight against terrorists? or do you think we should not fight at all? What is your solution?

What does that have to do with anything? We should fight against terrorists who have proven themselves terrorists and our enemies. So, let's get Bin Laden, not Saddam Hussein. The solution is to attack the actual problem, rather than using a tragedy to justify a war that has nothing to do with said tragedy.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by idea

The jury is still out.

Only in your mind.

Originally Posted by idea

"Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts,

Bull. Not only are you accusing the Dem leadership of stupidity, but also Obama of criminal dishonesty.

Try to understand this: just because someone says something, doesn't mean it's true.

Just because there is the claim that three experts said yadda, doesn't mean it's true.

And as we all know now (or most of us do anyway), just because the Bush administration claimed that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction, doesn't mean it's true. Just because he claimed that Hussein was working with al Qaeda, doesn't mean it's true.

Originally Posted by idea

the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.

Even more bull. The Constitution says that the president must be born as U.S. citizen, not naturalized. It says nothing prohibiting dual citizenship. And to question his loyalty to this country is just xenophobic claptrap. My parents were immigrants to this country. I was born and raised here. You wanna question my love for my country? And only one of Obama's parents was an immigrant. If Obama had been born of a British father, would you be questioning his loyalty to the U.S.? Norwegian? Swiss?

What exactly constitutes an American in your mind?

[sputnik323]

Originally Posted by lilithu

Did you even watch the conventions? See what the delegates looked like? And the people who spoke? I sat thru both. At the DNC I saw people of all colors, and even people of different religions (based on what they were wearing). The RNC was whiter than a powdered sugar donut.

Saying that you're accepting of diversity and appointing a few token people is not the same thing as actually being accepting of diversity. Heck, I'm not even satisfied with a party that is willing to "accept" diversity; we should celebrate it.

I used the word "accept" because that is what the origional first post used. That dems were more accepting of diversity. All people should celebrate it.

The RNC convention looked like a powdered sugar donut not by the party's choice...

It is well known that the media and parties use camera angles and seating arangements to make a group apear a certain way. Obama didn't want to appear muslim so his campaign had some muslim dressed women moved out of their seats. And some cameras focused on some African American Vetrans at the RNC....

Was the obama campaign celebrating diversity when he had those muslim women moved out of the view of cameras?

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by sputnik323

It is well known that the media and parties use camera angles and seating arangements to make a group apear a certain way.

So are you claiming that the RNC made the choice to look like a powdered sugar donut? Or are you once again accusing the media of a "liberal conspiracy."

It seems that every time the media gets a backbone and actually ventures to tell the truth, it gets accused of being liberal. Hmmm....

Originally Posted by sputnik323

Was obama celebrating diversity when he had those muslim women moved out of the view of cameras?

Obama didn't do that, some of his staff did. And they apologized for it later. It was wrong.

The real question is, would Muslim women even be at a Republican rally?

[sputnik323]

Originally Posted by lilithu

So are you claiming that the RNC made the choice to look like a powdered sugar donut? Or are you once again accusing the media of a "liberal conspiracy."
It seems that every time the media gets a backbone and actually ventures to tell the truth, it gets accused of being liberal. Hmmm....
Obama didn't do that, some of his staff did. And they apologized for it later. It was wrong.
The real question is, would Muslim women even be at a Republican rally?

I realized his staff did, but couldn't edit it in time... but that still doesn't change the fact that they try to alter diversity perception.

Why is that the "real" question... I dont understand why people make diversity a political issue? Sure lets celebrate diversity, by why do we have to argue about who is more colorful and say the more colorful party is the better one only because they are more colorful.... It just sounds stupid to me...

If this election was different and the candidates were Colin Powell (who I think would make a great president) and Hillary Clinton for rep and dem.

This is what reps would talk about - Colin Powell is a great leader bla bla bla ... Hillary Clinton would weaken the military by bla bla bla

This is what dems would focus on - Colin Powell is a African American MAN do you think he could beat Hillary Clinton a White WOMAN?

For reps race has no place in politics today... Yes it had a central place in the past where people in the government was actively trying to opress a whole race (and it was the southern democrats who were doing that)

Which to you is more devisive and explotative? A group that makes race an political issue to draw in more voters? or one that doesn't?