Is the Trinity Biblical? (Jesus Christ, priests, ritual, reject, Moses)

[SpiritualSon]

Originally Posted by Maize

The belief that God is one substance, yet three persons, is one of the central doctrines of the Christian religion. The concept of the Trinity is believed by most professing Christians, whether Catholic or Protestant.

Where does the Bible show that God is a mysterious Trinity? Where did this doctrine come from and what is it's history? Who was Jesus Christ? Did He live such a perfect life that God decided to call Him His Son at baptism OR was He God who became a man and died for all men?Is the Holy Spirit a PERSON--and can you prove it?

From my mind:
Jehovah God the Father is the Creator,Redeemer and the Regenerator.

1. He is the Creator,when He was in the infinite state.

2.He is the Redeemer and Saviour,when He was in the finite state, as the Son of God,under the name Jesus Christ.

3.He is the Regenerator,because He is the Divine Proceeding,which makes Him the Holy Spirit.

There is no contradictions.The Old Testament supports those words above.

I am Jehovah,and besides Me there is no Savior (Isa. 43:11).

Am not I Jehovah, and there is none besides Me,and there is no Savior besides Me. Look unto Me and be ye saved all the ends of the earth (Isa.45:21,22).

I am Jehovah thy God,and there is no Savior besides Me (Hos.13:4).

I Jehovah will give thee for a covenant to the people, for a light of the nations. I am Jehovah, that is My name, and My glory will I not give to another (Isa.42:6,8).

Tell me? Where does the Son of God before creation fit in, when Jehovah God the Father Himself had said those words in the Old Testament?The Son of God from eternity before creation was ideal,not truth,to the church.

Harry

[erlopin]

Trinity is never a monotheistic belief because to them
there is the GOD the Father, there is the GOD the SOn
and there is the GOD the HOLY SPIRIT. How lunatic
it is to believe that they are one but three.
simple arithmetic man. the Bible says that
there is only one true GOD and that is the Father,
not the son
not the holy spirit
only the father.

Nowhere in the Bible can you find that the HOLY SPIRIT is
GOD also word for word.

[SpiritualSon]

Originally Posted by erlopin

Trinity is never a monotheistic belief because to them
there is the GOD the Father, there is the GOD the SOn
and there is the GOD the HOLY SPIRIT. How lunatic
it is to believe that they are one but three.
simple arithmetic man. the Bible says that
there is only one true GOD and that is the Father,
not the son
not the holy spirit
only the father.

Nowhere in the Bible can you find that the HOLY SPIRIT is
GOD also word for word.

These three, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, are the three essentials of one God, and they make one as soul, body,and operation make one in man.

Every person has a trinity in them,made up of the soul,body and operation.Our trinity is human.The Trinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ is Divine.

The infinite,which is the Father can not be approach directly. Only in His finite form,which is the Son can He be approached.

That's why the Lord commanded us to take up the cross and follow Him.He didn't say follow the Father.

The Father is the Soul of the Son.That's why the Lord said in John ,"The Father and I are one." They are one as Soul and Body. The Father and Son are the same and one Person.They are not two persons. Our Lord Jesus Christ is the one that should be approach,because He is the Father in the finite.Get to know the Lord,and you get to know the Father. No one comes to the Father,but only by the Lord, just as You can not know a person's soul until you see how the person behaves.

Jesus Christ is God,because He the Father in the Finite,which is the Human.

Harry

[erlopin]

You said
These three, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, are
the three essentials of one God

I'll just read one verse in the Bible if it's ok
with you.

IN 1Timothy 1:5
For there is one God and one mediator between
God and men the Man Christ Jesus.

In this verse How many God can you read.
You'll just tell me how many
God can you read in this verse. It's simple. ok
now tell me.

[quick]

Originally Posted by erlopin

You said
These three, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, are
the three essentials of one God

I'll just read one verse in the Bible if it's ok
with you.

IN 1Timothy 1:5
For there is one God and one mediator between
God and men the Man Christ Jesus.

In this verse How many God can you read.
You'll just tell me how many
God can you read in this verse. It's simple. ok
now tell me.

Here is 1 Tim 1:5--

5The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

What verse are you trying to quote?

[quick]

The Westminster Confession quote above covers it, but if you want to see the Trinity mentioned in the Bible in the same sentence, well, here you go:

Matthew 28

19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[1] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

This was the risen Christ speaking to his disciples at the end of the book of Matthew.

[SpiritualSon]

Originally Posted by erlopin

You said
These three, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, are
the three essentials of one God

I'll just read one verse in the Bible if it's ok
with you.

IN 1Timothy 1:5
For there is one God and one mediator between
God and men the Man Christ Jesus.

In this verse How many God can you read.
You'll just tell me how many
God can you read in this verse. It's simple. ok
now tell me.

One God.Jehovah God became Man under the name Jesus Christ. The mediator is the Human Jehovah God has assumed in the world. It is also meant by His right hand.

Harry

[Corban]

[1] "DEU 6:4 Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."

But how is He one, look at John 17:21, "that they may be one as were are one" if that is how they are one then did the apostles lose their bodies and become one with God, no, they are one in purpose

"1CO 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God by one. 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

Notice the word AND: there is one God the Father AND one Lord Jesus Christ



"[4] JOHN 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

You grossly misunderstand this verse, this means God is a spiritual being, not worldly, it does not mean He does not have a body, if you apply that meaning to the first part of the verse it has to be applied to the whole verse, the following they that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth, so if it refers to not having a body but merely a spirit then those that worship him must leave there bodies and become a spirit to do it.


[6] DEU 4:15 Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: 16 Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female. .

I'm glad you brought Moses into this discussion, that is a great example of how God has a body, yes it is true Moses did not see the body of God when he spoke out of the burning bush, but i also did see the body of my mom when i talked to her on the phone today, Moses did see the face of God when he later spoke to Him, Genesis 32:11

LUK 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Wow, a body, i guess it is true

[SpiritualSon]

"I believe in God the father almighty CREATOR of Heaven and Earth. " Now that is contrary to the Word, which teaches in the Gospel of John, "All things were made by the WORD [Incarnate Jesus] and without the WORD was nothing made that was made." Jehovah God is the Word, and became Man under the name Jesus Christ. Amen

Harry

[dharveymi]

The doctrine of the trinity is a perverse pagan heresy. It was formulated through political strife and warfare in the Catholic church in the 3rd century. The authors of the Bible did not believe in the trinity, and neither do any true Christians.