What if Jesus Was Never Crucified? (Earth, crucifixion, Kingdom, reincarnate)

[cardero]

This is a question of pure speculation in which I plan to raise discussion about whether God relies on the faith or nature of humans or whether God controls others through destiny.

Many religions claim that Jesus was prophesized in the Bible before the New Testament and that this was part of God’s plan to offer His only begotten son up for our sins.

So what would have happened if the established authority refused to kill Jesus? What if instead Jesus died of old age and was never martyred?

Would God have to reincarnate His son again in the expectation that another era’s current authority would arrest and execute him or would God have to force his hand and control others to kill Jesus? Would God have continued this until we got it right?

What kind of knowledge did God possess when Jesus was born to the earth? Did God perceive that everything would go as planned or was He winging it on the faith and hope that His will would get done?

How does this method work when it concerns prophecy and what does this say about God when this prophecy goes unfulfilled?

[The_Her3tiK]

Originally Posted by cardero

What kind of knowledge did God possess when Jesus was born to the earth? Did God perceive that everything would go as planned or was He winging it on the faith and hope that His will would get done?

The Christian god is described as all-knowing. Therefore, he would know for certain the Jesus would be executed by crucifixion, as well as every detail leading up to that event, as well as all things to follow. The free will of people only extends as far as God's will allows it, seeing as we will eventually need to do his bidding in some way for plans such as this to come to fruition.

[Charity]

Originally Posted by cardero

This is a question of pure speculation in which I plan to raise discussion about whether God relies on the faith or nature of humans or whether God controls others through destiny.

Many religions claim that Jesus was prophesized in the Bible before the New Testament and that this was part of God’s plan to offer His only begotten son up for our sins.

So what would have happened if the established authority refused to kill Jesus?What if instead Jesus died of old age and was never martyred?

Would God have to reincarnate His son again in the expectation that another era’s current authority would arrest and execute him or would God have to force his hand and control others to kill Jesus? Would God have continued this until we got it right?

What kind of knowledge did God possess when Jesus was born to the earth? Did God perceive that everything would go as planned or was He winging it on the faith and hope that His will would get done?

How does this method work when it concerns prophecy and what does this say about God when this prophecy goes unfulfilled?

Yes the prophecy concerning the birth and life of Jesus was spoken by prophets in the OT. You can rest assured that everything that happened with Jesus was part of God's plan. Surely you don't think than an all knowing God would not know what would happen, and that His plan was perfect. God knew his plan would not fail, and that there would be One God, One Jesus and a One time plan giving humans the chance for eternal life. All prophecy will be fulfilled in God's time.......I would imagine that He knew that today, this very hour, this very minute that someone would be answering a question that would try to shed doubt on His perfect plan and try to insinuate that there would have been any other way other than the crucifixion.

[Poisonshady313]

Originally Posted by Charity

Yes the prophecy concerning the birth and life of Jesus was spoken by prophets in the OT.

If Jesus was never crucified, Christians would declare that he was supposed to be killed the second time around, and that what is now thought of as his second coming will instead be the third coming.

[Charity]

The fact remains that however you choose to believe, it will be the Final time for his return.....................

[Riverwolf]

I think that the death of Jesus was necessary to get his philosophy out. If he hadn't been tried and executed in that manner, it would have been unlikely(though not impossible) that anyone would have heard about him or what he said. After all, Jesus himself never actually wrote anything down...

[cardero]

Originally Posted by The_Her3tiK

The Christian god is described as all-knowing. Therefore, he would know for certain the Jesus would be executed by crucifixion, as well as every detail leading up to that event, as well as all things to follow. The free will of people only extends as far as God's will allows it, seeing as we will eventually need to do his bidding in some way for plans such as this to come to fruition.

Her3tik this statement seems to suggest that God bends or forces our free will to make things happen. So this could very well mean that Judas never betrayed Jesus and that he was absolutely essential to God’s conspiracy. I wonder if this means that Judas received a heavenly reward in God's kingdom.

[Riverwolf]

Originally Posted by cardero

Her3tik this statement seems to suggest that God bends or forces our free will to make things happen. So this could very well mean that Judas never betrayed Jesus and that he was absolutely essential to God’s conspiracy. I wonder if this means that Judas received a heavenly reward in God's kingdom.

It also implies that free will doesn't exist at all, but that everything we do is controlled by God.

[cardero]

Originally Posted by Riverwolf

It also implies that free will doesn't exist at all, but that everything we do is controlled by God.

It may also imply that if there is an afterlife of heaven and hell, these reservations are already sealed regardless of what we do our how much we repent making the sacrifice of Jesus, well...theatrical.

[Riverwolf]

Originally Posted by cardero

It may also imply that if there is an afterlife of heaven and hell, these reservations are already sealed regardless of what we do our how much we repent making the sacrifice of Jesus, well...theatrical.

That's putting it mildly...