Morality question to Non believers !

[maro]

when we asked atheists about how they judge morality , those were the answers we got :

A dark infidel magic called "logic".

and about "sex" in particular :

Stance: If it is better for the individual and does not have a dramatic affect on society then there is no problem.

Genitcally im no expert, but i guess as long as it causes no health problems go for it.

Accordingly i asked about the morality of sex between a mother and her son from a non beliver's perpective , and that was the answer i got :

If a mother and a son consent to it and it has no affects then whats wrong with it? If it harms no one how is it dangerous? Although its not the norm there is no huge impact on society except among people who through in their two cents worth of scripture

Again ,the questions are open for all non believrers to answer ;

what are the non belivers's standards of judging morality ?
According to those standards :
Is sex between a mother and a son moral ?
Is having sex in public (in a car ,or a garden ,or a side street ...) Moral ?
Is going out Naked moral ?
Is having sex with an animal moral ?
IS the word "chasteness" Meaningful ? if so , how can you define it ?

[Mestemia]

I have a few questions of my own....

You use the phrase "non-believer".
non-believer in what?
God(s)? Islam? Christianity?

Standards...
Are you asking for each individuals standards?

Morals...
Define morals.
is this definition acceptable:

Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by maro

Again ,the questions are open for all non believrers to answer ;

what are the non belivers's standards of judging morality ?

My own, just like the believer's, even if they don't realize it.

According to those standards :
Is sex between a mother and a son moral ?

I don't think it is.

Is having sex in public (in a car ,or a garden ,or a side street ...) Moral ?

Sure. Why wouldn't it be?

Is going out Naked moral ?

I don't think nudity is a matter of morality.

Is having sex with an animal moral ?

I don't think it is.

IS the word "chasteness" Meaningful ? if so , how can you define it ?

Sure. Personally, I define it as something like "adhering to traditional social norms regarding behaviour, especially sexual behaviour."

Personally, I don't tend to use the word very often.

[Khale]

Originally Posted by maro

Is sex between a mother and a son moral ?

I would say that this is condemned for a reason. The effects of "keeping it in the family" on potential children have historically been less than desirable. Plus, the toll on the mental health of the two involved (especially if the child is underage) can be devastating. Still, if the couple involved have bear no children and can maintain a healthy mental state, there is nothing wrong with the act.

Originally Posted by maro

Is having sex in public (in a car ,or a garden ,or a side street ...) Moral ?

Sure, as long as your not being disrespectful to the people in the area. Having sex behind a bush in a park can be exciting and unobtrusive. However, plowing your mistress at the local bingo hall mid-game would be extremely inappropriate. You know, unless that's what you were hired for.

Originally Posted by maro

Is going out Naked moral ?

Again, it all boils down to respect. Respect of the law and respect of any that have to see your glorious naked body on full display like a featherless peacock.

Originally Posted by maro

Is having sex with an animal moral ?

Animals cannot consent to sex. Therefore having sex with an animal is equatable to rape. Even if that perky little puffer fish you met at the aquarium was dressed "like she wanted it."

Originally Posted by maro

IS the word "chasteness" Meaningful ? if so , how can you define it ?

Of course the word chasteness is meaningful. It even has a definition:

Morally pure in thought or conduct; decent and modest

Of course, according to this definition, the meaning of chasteness is going to change from society to society and from culture to culture.

[Phasmid]

Originally Posted by maro

what are the non belivers's standards of judging morality ?

Conscience

Originally Posted by maro

According to those standards :
Is sex between a mother and a son moral ?

No. My conscience just says no...

Originally Posted by maro

Is having sex in public (in a car ,or a garden ,or a side street ...) Moral ?

Not only moral, but fun. Though that doesn't mean it's alright for a load of school children to watch...

Originally Posted by maro

Is going out Naked moral ?

Depends where one is.

Originally Posted by maro

Is having sex with an animal moral ?

No that's just sick.

Originally Posted by maro

IS the word "chasteness" Meaningful ? if so , how can you define it ?

I define it as torturing oneself unecessarily.

I'm sure most "non-believers" just use their conscience to judge what's right and wrong. Atheism isn't a religion... though some people seem to be trying to turn it into one. The ONLY significant difference between believers and non-believers is the whole question of God's existence. We don't need religion to tell us not to kill each other... in fact we'd be better of WITHOUT religion in that matter.

[UltraViolet]

I have but one "rule".

No one is allowed to infringe on anyone else's freedom
to live their own life as they choose.

It is less a rule of "morality" and more one of basic human respect.

Having said that, there also does need to be an "age of concent & contract",
or adults might unfairly "convince" young people of "choosing"
what is not truly in their own best interest. Which would go against the one rule.

That's it. Simple.

But this world will never see it.

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by maro

what are the non belivers's standards of judging morality ?

Does it harm someone unnecessarily?

According to those standards :
Is sex between a mother and a son moral ?

I wouldn't say it's moral or immoral. If they are both consenting adults and it doesn't harm anyone, there's nothing wrong with it. (Although, it seems that some studies have shown the negative effects relationships like this can have on those involved, but there doesn't seem to be clear data condemning it)

Is having sex in public (in a car ,or a garden ,or a side street ...) Moral ?
Is going out Naked moral ?
Is having sex with an animal moral ?

These all have the same answer. I wouldn't consider them moral or immoral necessarily. With the first two, if you are knowingly harming someone psychologically, then it might be immoral. Just the acts themselves are not immoral or moral.

The third one: I would say it's immoral to penetrate an animal. In that case, you are obviously forcing yourself on the animal, and it cannot consent or refuse really. If the roles are reversed, the animal can give consent by going through with it, as they would be the ones initiating the action. In that case, to me it's not immoral or moral, although neither is something I would do, myself.

IS the word "chasteness" Meaningful ? if so , how can you define it ?

It's meaningful, but doesn't factor into things for me. To me, it means, basically, only having sex with select people, generally those with whom you're in love. It's one way to go, but not necessarily the right path for everyone.

[Gunfingers]

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