Watchtower Bible & Tract Society (testimony, gospel, Jehovah, Revelation)

[t3gah]

1943, Watch Tower Vice President Frederick W. Franz, and President Nathan H. Knorr provided the following testimony under oath in a court of law:

Cross-examination of Frederick W. Franz
(Olin Moyle v. WTB&TS, 1943, Sections #2596-2597, p. 866.)

Q. At any rate, Jehovah God is now the editor of the paper, is that right?
A. He is today the editor of the paper.

Q. How long has He been editor of the paper?
A. Since its inception he has been guiding it.

Cross-examination of Nathan Homer Knorr
(Olin Moyle v. WTB&TS, 1943, Section #4421, p. 1474.)

Q. In fact, it is set forth directly as God's Word, isn't it?
A. Yes, as His word.

Q. Without any qualification whatsoever?
A. That is right.


Fred W. Franz (Watchtower Bible & Tract Society Governing Body and later Watchtower Bible & Tract Society President) stated on oath in a court of Law that "Jehovah God was the editor of the Watchtower Magazine since it's inception."
(New York King's County Clerk's Court Record, 1940, vol. 2, page 795)

Fred W. Franz repeated this claim in 1943.
(Olin R. Moyle, v F.W. Franz, et al. Libel suit testimony, May 10th to May 27th, 1943, New York Supreme Court, Appellate Division: sections 2596 & 2597)

Nathan H. Knorr, while president of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, stated under oath in a court of law that "The Watch Tower is set forth directly as God's Word."
(Olin R. Moyle, v F.W. Franz, et al. Libel suit testimony, May 10th to May 27th, 1943, New York Supreme Court, Appellate Division: sections 4420 & 4421)

[LittleNipper]

This is the reason I am a Christian and do not consider Jehovah Witnesses as such. The Bible is the inspired Word of GOD and it is a closed revelation. I do believe GOD works in peoples lives but that is not the same as GOD adding scripture. Scripture can influence what a Christian writes and personal events can influence what a Christian writes, but that is not direct dictation nor does it add to the finished work of the Bible. This only affords the Christian the ability to have a heart towards those he is expected to bring the Light of the Gospel to.

[No*s]

The WB&TS is not in any way an agent of God. I try to stay as far away as possible.

[Seyorni]

Magazine has pretty illustrations, though....

[No*s]

That it certainly does.

[WitnessofJah]

Originally Posted by LittleNipper

The Bible is the inspired Word of GOD and it is a closed revelation.

I completely agree.

I do believe GOD works in peoples lives but that is not the same as GOD adding scripture.

The Watchtower and Awake! are not additions of the Bible. These are simply aids for the Bible to help us understand the Bible better. Just like an encyclopaedia helps up understand general knowledge via the use of simple explanations and illustrations, these publications do the same.

These publications in no way, shape, or form are additions/replacements for the Bible. The Bible will and always be the primary source when we learn about God.

Scripture can influence what a Christian writes and personal events can influence what a Christian writes, but that is not direct dictation nor does it add to the finished work of the Bible.

We have not added anything to the Bible.

[WitnessofJah]

Originally Posted by t3gah

Poll: Do you believe that God is directing the work at Watchtower Bible & Tract Society?

You obviously don't think so. So who are you suggesting is? God via the Apostle Paul clearly said only one religion on this earth would represent him:

Ephesians 4:4-6: "One body there is, and one spirit, even as YOU were called in the one hope to which YOU were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all [persons], who is over all and through all and in all."

This clearly leaves no room for self-revelation and multi-denominations thinking that all roads lead to God. Also, Jesus also said that only a few would find the true faith:

Matthew 7:13-14: “Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it."

Where does the faithful and discreet slave of Jehovah's Witnesses fit into all of this? Jesus said that he would apoint "a faithful slave" over all of his belongings on earth to represent HIS faith (i.e. the one true religion):

Matthew 24:45: "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings."

Is the faithful and discreet of Jehoavh's Witnesses giving us our food (spiritual food) like the above verses mention? Yes. Up to now, over 15,000,000,000 peices of literature had been given to mankind to proclaim the coming of God's Kingdom and also addressing world events in a timely manner.


Any further questions and I will be happy to answer them.

[t3gah]

Originally Posted by WitnessofJah

You obviously don't think so. So who are you suggesting is? God via the Apostle Paul clearly said only one religion on this earth would represent him:

Ephesians 4:4-6: "One body there is, and one spirit, even as YOU were called in the one hope to which YOU were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all [persons], who is over all and through all and in all."

This clearly leaves no room for self-revelation and multi-denominations thinking that all roads lead to God. Also, Jesus also said that only a few would find the true faith:

Matthew 7:13-14: “Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it."

Where does the faithful and discreet slave of Jehovah's Witnesses fit into all of this? Jesus said that he would apoint "a faithful slave" over all of his belongings on earth to represent HIS faith (i.e. the one true religion):

Matthew 24:45: "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings."

Is the faithful and discreet of Jehoavh's Witnesses giving us our food (spiritual food) like the above verses mention? Yes. Up to now, over 15,000,000,000 peices of literature had been given to mankind to proclaim the coming of God's Kingdom and also addressing world events in a timely manner.


Any further questions and I will be happy to answer them.

Yes, yes. It's very interesting that the scriptures state one lord, one faith, etc. But just how is the world supposed to know that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are them that are they in the scriptures?

Few are the ones finding it doesn't necessarily mean that the congreagtions of JW"s are the few.

Lots of print. Many other denominations of "Christians" are doing the same things in their own special ways. I must point out that the original disciples and apostles just used the scrolls and some letters which is what the bible is, not millions of documents. And "one faith" means "Christian". Which is what the rest are according to the dictionary which is an authority.

Which reminds me. This is a poll and a discussion, not a debate like your thread "Ask...", so please don't get off topic.

[t3gah]

Calculations

Jehovah's Witnesses have printed 15,000,000,000 pieces of literature so far.
Spanned 1879 to 2005. Changed from International Bible Students to Jehovah's Witnesses.

From 1 to 6.5 million JWs in over 100 years

Currently there are approximately 6.5 billion people on the planet including JWs.

So using the JW modern method of teaching, that would mean that you JWs need 45,000,000,000,000,000 pieces of literature to turn the world.

I used my abacus to calculate the figure above so there could be a small margin of error.

Jesus, the apostles and the disciples had just the scrolls and their letters to each other.

Is God directing the work or men? God would have the whole world coverted in 100+ years by now. So if you have any questions about Jehovah's Witnesses feel free to private message WitnessofJah or go to his thread "Ask about Jehovah's Witnesses". If however you have questions about the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society responses to court questions or the poll on this thread, feel free to post a reply with your comments or questions here.

Answer the poll before you go please.


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[WitnessofJah]

Originally Posted by t3gah

Yes, yes. It's very interesting that the scriptures state one lord, one faith, etc. But just how is the world supposed to know that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are them that are they in the scriptures?

Who is your candidate for the correct faith? You seem to speak with so much conviction that you must have some kind of inclination to who Jesus disciples today are. A poll in a religious sub-forum is not going to answer your question.

Few are the ones finding it doesn't necessarily mean that the congreagtions of JW"s are the few.

Good point - at least you agree that a few will find the truth...so why did you do a calculation to how long it would take JW to convert the entire planet (not exactly a few)?